Strongest Italian presence: Baltimore, New Orleans or San Francisco? (NYC, accent, people)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Baltimore was also an exception to the rule.



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Baltimore is only about 35 miles from the Mason-Dixon line and borders the Philly suburbs while New Orleans is over 1,100 miles from the Mason-Dixon line and is also South of Alabama and Mississippi. Given the history and culture of New Orleans, you don't think that New Orleans would qualify a lot more as being a true exception to the rule? Seems quite silly to just lump it in with Baltimore as being an anomaly as the city was always in close proximity of the Northern cities.

[King of Kensington]

Here's one of the 400 Italian immigrants in New Orleans:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7yDXTvDuzE

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Baltimore is only about 35 miles from the Mason-Dixon line and borders the Philly suburbs while New Orleans is over 1,100 miles from the Mason-Dixon line and is also South of Alabama and Mississippi. Given the history and culture of New Orleans, you don't think that New Orleans would qualify a lot more as being a true exception to the rule? Seems quite silly to just lump it in with Baltimore as being an anomaly as the city was always in close proximity of the Northern cities.

I just said Baltimore was an exception for a southern city. Even today, Baltimore's White ethnic population is more similar to nearby Southern cities than it is to the closest Northeastern city.

Philadelphia - 33.03% of MSA (51.26% of NHW population)
Baltimore - 19.98% of MSA (33.78% of NHW population)
Norfolk - 11.51% of MSA (20.32% of NHW)

19.98 is a lot closer to 11.51 than it is to 33.03. And 33.78 is a whole lot closer to 20.32 than it is to 51.26.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

I just said Baltimore was an exception for a southern city. Even today, Baltimore's White ethnic population is more similar to nearby Southern cities than it is to the closest Northeastern city.

Philadelphia - 33.03% of MSA (51.26% of NHW population)
Baltimore - 19.98% of MSA (33.78% of NHW population)
Norfolk - 11.51% of MSA (20.32% of NHW)

19.98 is a lot closer to 11.51 than it is to 33.03. And 33.78 is a whole lot closer to 20.32 than it is to 51.26.

What if I told you that..








..Baltimore isn't southern.

[KodeBlue]

Stats and YouTube videos mean nothing when the topic is "presence," which is where Baltimore wins according to the folks of city data.

[King of Kensington]

Is there any Italian American ethnolect in New Orleans? I doubt Baltimore and San Francisco have them.

Here's an Italian American from New Orleans, raised in the French Quarter, giving an example of what he calls a "genu-ine New Orleans accent."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eYqOKL58Mw

He doesn't really sound like what has been described as the "yat" accent, he seems to have a refined Southern accent.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

Stats and YouTube videos mean nothing when the topic is "presence," which is where Baltimore wins according to the folks of city data.

City-Data is the only place you can have a poll that asks "Which number is bigger...1, 2 or 3?" and get more votes for "1."

Of the Top 400 Italian cities by percentage in the U.S., Louisiana has 5. Maryland has 0. Pennsylvania has 51.

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

City-Data is the only place you can have a poll that asks "Which number is bigger...1, 2 or 3?" and get more votes for "1."

Of the Top 400 Italian cities by percentage in the U.S., Louisiana has 5. Maryland has 0. Pennsylvania has 51.

People also vote by what they actually see and personally experienced, not just going by stat sheets.

[Chilly Gentilly]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

City-Data is the only place you can have a poll that asks "Which number is bigger...1, 2 or 3?" and get more votes for "1."

Sooooooo true...CD is an odd little world

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

What if I told you that..








..Baltimore isn't southern.

Nathaniel Branson disagrees.

Baltimore is a southern city. When I came here, Baltimore was as southern, if not more so, as my hometown of Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Nathaniel Branson - Social Work - UMBC

So does Diane Cole of the New York Times.

But it was only by leaving that I learned to appreciate the enduring (and endearing) eccentricities of Baltimore's distinctive neighborhoods. Only by moving north have I discovered just how deeply rooted in the South this mid-Atlantic city really is.

But hey, these guys hide behind a cloak of anonymity unlike the posters on C-D. Can't be trusted.

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