Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:45 AM
nei nei won $500 in our forum's Most Engaging Poster Contest - Thirteenth Edition (Jan-Feb 2015). 

Over $104,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum and additional contests are planned
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
45,983 posts, read 53,485,386 times
Reputation: 15184

Advertisements

seems like Baltimore has more low (or just non-residential?) and high density areas than Seattle, while more of Seattle is moderate density.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:56 AM
 
32 posts, read 37,909 times
Reputation: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
seems like Baltimore has more low (or just non-residential?) and high density areas than Seattle, while more of Seattle is moderate density.
That might be somewhat true - although Seattle also clearly has pockets of high and low density too. I'm also seeing some pretty high-activity areas of Seattle (Seattle Center, South Lake Union, Eastlake, Downtown Ballard) show up as moderate density on your map, which is interesting, but probably because high activity doesn't always mean high population density (and because it was 2010).

Again, the PPSM numbers I posted earlier (Seattle Density: 7,969 PPSM; Baltimore Density: 7,671 PPSM) reflect a lot of the dense residential development that has occurred since 2010. Seattle's population went from 608K to 668K between 2010 and 2014, and is continuing to increase at a pretty fast rate. Much of that increase happened in tracts that are showing up as between 5K and 15K and has probably bumped up quite a few of them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:57 AM
 
32 posts, read 37,909 times
Reputation: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant131531 View Post
Seattle's midrise infill is so bland and ugly. It's honestly shocking a city like Charlotte has better infill than Seattle does. I do think Seattle's newer highrises do look good though.
This is undeniably true - the local news even did a piece about it.

'Ugly' apartments becoming Seattle trend
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: At my house in my state
638 posts, read 978,444 times
Reputation: 683
Did you just say Portland??????
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
456 posts, read 774,581 times
Reputation: 331
Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
seems like Baltimore has more low (or just non-residential?) and high density areas than Seattle, while more of Seattle is moderate density.
Assuming this is 2010 data then you've captured an inflection point. At that time Baltimore was slightly higher in population but 5 years later Seattle is 60k larger (we also have less land area) which is enough to effect the picture significantly since much of this growth was in the central part of the city.

Explore this: How fast is your neighborhood densifying? | The Seattle Times

The core of Seattle is now significantly denser despite the short time period. Some of the central tracts jumped over 100%. (Reality check: the greater downtown area as a whole now is around 20k ppsm on average to put everything in context)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 11:39 AM
nei nei won $500 in our forum's Most Engaging Poster Contest - Thirteenth Edition (Jan-Feb 2015). 

Over $104,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum and additional contests are planned
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
45,983 posts, read 53,485,386 times
Reputation: 15184
I really don't think a 10% change is going to make a dramatic difference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
690 posts, read 1,007,583 times
Reputation: 571
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11 View Post
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3005...7i13312!8i6656

not sure it's unique, Detroit might compare
Every time I see urban decay like this I think about the same places that used to look just like that but are the best neighborhoods in Baltimore today and some of the best urban in the country. Nothing but untapped potential.

What you see below used to look just like the above street view in the 70s.

What you see to the right is the Rec Pier it was the site of the police station for Homicide series currently being transformed/rehabbed into a hotel for kevin plank and under amour clients.
Fells Point
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2818...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2817...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2819...7i13312!8i6656

Otterbein
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2803...7i13312!8i6656
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 12:40 PM
 
1,169 posts, read 1,431,879 times
Reputation: 1143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernest Southernest C View Post
Every time I see urban decay like this I think about the same places that used to look just like that but are the best neighborhoods in Baltimore today and some of the best urban in the country. Nothing but untapped potential.

What you see below used to look just like the above street view in the 70s.

What you see to the right is the Rec Pier it was the site of the police station for Homicide series currently being transformed/rehabbed into a hotel for kevin plank and under amour clients.
Fells Point
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2818...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2817...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2819...7i13312!8i6656

Otterbein
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2803...7i13312!8i6656
IMHO while CERTAIN select parts of Baltimore have a historic charm (such as Fells Point), unfortunately too much of the city (including the CBD) is in disrepair and visually unappealing, most of this is due to poor leadership from local politicians. The Inner Harbor area for example is now an outdated "tourist spot" that is no longer even popular among tourists, I visited this area last year and was shocked to see the Inner Harbor looked like a ghost town, not to mention the fact that it felt unsafe in the evening and even locals seemed to nervously scurry away at sunset. I stayed at a major downtown hotel and spoke with the management there, they informed me that "business is bad" and meeting planners are no longer considering Baltimore as a meetings destination, and this was BEFORE the Baltimore riots, I cannot imagine how it is now.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
9,681 posts, read 9,395,075 times
Reputation: 7262
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernest Southernest C View Post
Every time I see urban decay like this I think about the same places that used to look just like that but are the best neighborhoods in Baltimore today and some of the best urban in the country. Nothing but untapped potential.

What you see below used to look just like the above street view in the 70s.

What you see to the right is the Rec Pier it was the site of the police station for Homicide series currently being transformed/rehabbed into a hotel for kevin plank and under amour clients.
Fells Point
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2818...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2817...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2819...7i13312!8i6656

Otterbein
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2803...7i13312!8i6656
Those places still look empty and far from vibrant. The crime in Baltimore and lack of leadership are keeping the city from moving forward.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2015, 12:59 PM
 
32 posts, read 37,909 times
Reputation: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
I really don't think a 10% change is going to make a dramatic difference.
I think it does given where that growth has occurred - a lot of tracts that were 5K-10K or 10K-15K have absorbed that population, and as BenLeis said a number of moderate to moderate/high tracts have increased by 100%. I think you'd see a different map if you used today's data.

Last edited by GaryS35; 06-23-2015 at 01:31 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top