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Another thing that should be noted is the plethora of job sectors on the VA side of the river that people in MD commute to and some do vice versa. Hence the top and west side of the beltway in rush hour. That's the only thing I'll dispute here. NJ and CT do not have this same relationship, +2 DMV.
Comparatively few workers actually leave New York City. In raw numbers, there are actually more people reverse commuting in Chicago than there are in NYC.
Looking at the data, it becomes clear, at least in an economic sense, that the three DMV jurisdictions have a lot more flow among them than the NYC Tri-State counties. There are more people commuting from Fairfax, VA to Maryland (even to more distant places like Anne Arundel County) than there are people making a reverse commute from Manhattan to Jersey.
There's hardly any flow from Fairfield, CT to Jersey. There are more people commuting from Fairfax to Anne Arundel on a daily basis even though the two are at polar ends of the metro area (with AA County technically being part of Baltimore's MSA).
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Looking at the data, it becomes clear, at least in an economic sense, that the three DMV jurisdictions have a lot more flow among them than the NYC Tri-State counties. There are more people commuting from Fairfax, VA to Maryland (even to more distant places like Anne Arundel County) than there are people making a reverse commute from Manhattan to Jersey.
There's hardly any flow from Fairfield, CT to Jersey. There are more people commuting from Fairfax to Anne Arundel on a daily basis even though the two are at polar ends of the metro area (with AA County technically being part of Baltimore's MSA).
Where are you getting the specific worker flow data? Your reverse commuting link (awesome find btw) isn't nearly as in-depth.
Regardless, it's no surprise that all of the commuting is to NYC, and not from CT to NJ, or NYC to NJ. That's already been conceded. In that sense, the DMV is more polycentric in its commuter focus. If that defines more cohesive to you (more eggs in different baskets), I see that argument. Curious as to what the worker outflow from the Tri State Area counties you selected is to New York County. I have a feeling that's where the high numbers are, honestly.
Montgomery - 16,943
Prince George's - 9,594
Baltimore City - 600
Baltimore County - 375
Anne Arundel - 1,007
Howard - 448
Total: 28,967
What are the sources for these numbers? They seem really really low to me. Surprising that only 3K people commute from Manhattan to Fairfield County, CT...I definitely know a percentage of that number in that case. I would think between Manhattan and Stamford (both major financial centers), there is more of a flow...Metro North trains aren't exactly empty.
Overall, I agree with you, just these numbers seem surprising, that's all. As large as Manhattan is, fewer people commute out of Manhattan than DC? As a percentage, it wouldn't surprise me if it's lower, but to be that much lower in sheer numbers is odd.
I think this pretty much settles it honestly. And this clearly reflects the CSA pull with Baltimore that undoubtedly overlaps with DC.
No it doesn't. Assuming Bajanyankee's numbers are correct (and I don't think they are...or they're telling a different story and there is something we are missing), that's almost nobody that commutes between Northern VA and Baltimore. The same distance between SF city and SJ yields 100x the back and forth commuting as that (and SJ has same sports teams and media and public transit), and yet people are willing to argue for and accept Baltimore as part of DC metro and have a harder time accepting SJ as part of a cohesive Bay Area metro? Uh huh. That's ridiculous.
worker outflow? 396,520 workers from New Jersey commute into New York City on a daily basis, the entire population of Washington DC is around 659,000. 1.5 million increase of population into NYC daily. These numbers are older but I can only imagine it has increased substantially
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What are the sources for these numbers? They seem really really low to me. Surprising that only 3K people commute from Manhattan to Fairfield County, CT...I definitely know a percentage of that number in that case. I would think between Manhattan and Stamford (both major financial centers), there is more of a flow...Metro North trains aren't exactly empty.
Overall, I agree with you, just these numbers seem surprising, that's all. As large as Manhattan is, fewer people commute out of Manhattan than DC? As a percentage, it wouldn't surprise me if it's lower, but to be that much lower in sheer numbers is odd.
Nope, not odd at all.
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Manhattan, borough, New York County, New York: 39,546
Washington, District of Columbia: 83,168
Source: American Community Survey (2014 1-Year Estimate)
There aren't that many people commuting from Manhattan to Connecticut (or people commuting out of Manhattan period).
No it doesn't. Assuming Bajanyankee's numbers are correct (and I don't think they are...or they're telling a different story and there is something we are missing), that's almost nobody that commutes between Northern VA and Baltimore. The same distance between SF city and SJ yields 100x the back and forth commuting as that (and SJ has same sports teams and media and public transit), and yet people are willing to argue for and accept Baltimore as part of DC metro and have a harder time accepting SJ as part of a cohesive Bay Area metro? Uh huh. That's ridiculous.
Huh? This may be some personal beef you have with some CD posters but in the real non-CD world, everybody knows San Jose is a part of the Bay Area. In addition, folks have said Baltimore and DC form a CSA but the DC metro itself is a different entity. At any rate, I am sure the numbers from the Maryland suburbs will show higher commuting patterns with Bmore. Also, check the numbers from Bmore to DC and the MD suburbs. Nobody who is familiar with this area would argue that there is heavy traffic between NOVA and Bmore. The low numbers are to be expected.
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