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So maybe we should try to define what we mean by downtown. With that, my view is that the more restricted downtown is defined as, to an extent, the better Philadelphia does and the more expansive downtown is defined as, the better SF will generally do.
Depends what you consider the boundaries to be of each "Downtown."
For Philadelphia, I would consider "Downtown" to be a combination of both Center City and University City which looks like this:
So maybe we should try to define what we mean by downtown. With that, my view is that the more restricted downtown is defined as, to an extent, the better Philadelphia does and the more expansive downtown is defined as, the better SF will generally do.
You might be right, but by including Greater CC in the discussion, you now include Passyunk Square (East Passyunk Ave with all the food and shops, singing fountain), Bella Vista (Italian Market), Queen Village (maybe my favorite hood in Philly), Graduate Hospital, South Broad Street below South St. (Boot and Saddle, diners, and a bright bright future), Fairmount (more of the park, Eastern State Pen, great architecture), Northern Liberties (quickly expanding restaurant scene, truly unique feel, music venues) and the southern portion of Fishtown.
TBH, including those hoods swings me even more toward Philly.
Anything across the Schuylkill River is simply not downtown.
technically no, but then would be a pretty limited area for both places. There is a ton of construction along the river currently quite a few resent high-rises and UCity directly across the river and adjacent is really becoming quite the extension of the CBD. It is also a very short walk across the river but yes technically is not which would be fairly limited to either of these cities in this strictly defined sense.
here is few along the river itself to come including a super tall
at any rate this area is quickly becoming a directly adjacent extension of the CBD and already has 100K employees within a few blocks of what is technically center city or the technical DT
Anything across the Schuylkill River is simply not downtown.
How not? Are you a Philadelphian? No. Most Philadelphian's are beginning to consider University City as an extension of Center City. When describing "Downtown" Philadelphia they're honestly pretty connected, especially with all of the new and future development happening that is connecting the two.
Tell me what part of this isn't Downtown to you:
Standing in University City looking at Center City
^^That doesn't include all of the towers starting construction soon like:
University City is definitely becoming connected to Center City. University City is also much more Downtown-like than most major city's Downtowns - like San Jose for instance. So, what reason exactly do you not consider it to be Downtown?
How not? Are you a Philadelphian? No. Most Philadelphian's are beginning to consider University City as an extension of Center City. When describing "Downtown" Philadelphia they're honestly pretty connected, especially with all of the new and future development happening that is connecting the two.
Tell me what part of this isn't Downtown to you:
Standing in University City looking at Center City
^^That doesn't include all of the towers starting construction soon like:
University City is definitely becoming connected to Center City. University City is also much more Downtown-like than most major city's Downtowns - like San Jose for instance. So, what reason exactly do you not consider it to be Downtown?
I'm a Philadelphian and University city is not downtown. If I were to make a comparison of the function of UC, the comparison would be downtown brooklyn in sense that UC is the downtown of West Philly but not actually the true downtown of the entire city like Center City or most of Manhattan is.
I'm a Philadelphian and University city is not downtown. If I were to make a comparison of the function of UC, the comparison would be downtown brooklyn in sense that UC is the downtown of West Philly but not actually the true downtown of the entire city like Center City or most of Manhattan is.
UC is on fire and has essentially become a second downtown. According to this report, UC's office vacancy rate is around 2% and UC has more salaried jobs than the entire downtown of St Louis (West Philly Rising - Citified). I find the latter statistic particularly surprising.
Including UC isn't some far-fetched idea and something to boost Philly in this poll. It's an extension of downtown Philly that just happens to have a river separating it. Would anyone argue that River North is not part of "downtown" Chicago just because the river separates it from the Loop? It's just a quick walk over a river. It's nothing major separating either one. Brooklyn and Manhattan have two distinct identities and the East River is a bigger physical barrier.
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