3rd Best Downtown in the U.S. Philadelphia vs. San Francisco (better, compared)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by NativeOrange

San Franciscos city hall (307') is def not one of the tallest. In fact it's almost 250' shorter than Phillys (548'). Considering LA's city hall is 453', it's not even the tallest in California.

He's referring to the height and size of the dome.

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes.

Oh well.

The dome on the Massachusetts state house is shinier.


Massachusetts State House XVI 2015 by Thomas Logan, on Flickr

[NativeOrange]

Originally Posted by sav858

He's referring to the height and size of the dome.

Ahh. My mistake.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes.

It's the tallest, not the largest.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

This is so amusing to me.

Let's stop pretending Salesforce Tower is so much taller than Comcast Innovation & Technology Center when in reality they're nearly the same height. Wilshire Grand is the worst offender definitely. It's actual roof height is about 830 feet. Then there is a metal/glass "fin" which brings it's height to 934 feet tall. Then there is a 166 foot tall thin spire which brings it's total height to 1,100 FT tall.

Salesforce Tower on the other end has a roof height of 912 FT tall. Then the mechanical penthouse brings the height to 970 FT tall. Lastly, there is then a 115 FT "open air metal screen wall" which brings the total height to 1,070 FT.

http://i.imgur.com/9z21JJQ.jpg

Lastly, Comcast Innovation & Technology Center has a roof height of 911 FT tall. Then the mechanical penthouse brings the height to 995 FT tall. Lastly there is then a 126 FT "architectural lantern" which brings the total height to 1,121 FT.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...ntral_axis.png

Both towers are also 60 floors, so there is no difference there. CITC is a much bulkier building than ST as well. ST is only 1.4 million square feet with all office space and ground floor retail.

Salesforce Tower

CITC is 1.7 million square feet with 1.33 million square feet of office space, and the remainder is a 222 room hotel, ground floor retail, and a rooftop restaurant with 360 degree views of the city.

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...otel-lobby.jpg
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...TED-2.2016.pdf

So they're about the same height realistically. But CITC is bigger, and mixed-use which means it will be livelier at all hours.

CITC also meets the street better than Salesforce in my opinion. It's entrances to the office and hotel portions are grand. I also love the outdoor glass elevators on the western side for the hotel:

http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...h-and-Arch.jpg
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...rance-2014.jpg

Salesforce's street presence is certainly more bland... but I do love how the tower has an entrance onto the rooftop park of the Transbay Terminal:

Salesforce Tower

Lastly, while they're both superb designs, I do like the look of CITC better than Salesforce.

CITC:
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...ring-1-new.jpg

ST:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/hines-asset...20160310151202

Either way, I wouldn't try to brag about height over CITC for Salesforce. They're both about the same roof height.... and what really matters, which is architectural height and which is what the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habit measures buildings by, CITC is 51 FT taller.

Lastly, Philadelphia is already moving on to the next Supertall. The tallest tower in the new planned Schuylkill Yards development at 3101 Market Street is set to reach a height of 1,095 FT tall with a roof height of 1,025 FT and a 75 FT architectural crown. The tower will be 70 floors and likely a mix of office space and hotel space.

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...g?format=1500w

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by iAMtheVVALRUS

Oh well.

The dome on the Massachusetts state house is shinier.


Massachusetts State House XVI 2015 by Thomas Logan, on Flickr

Oh geez, that's an odd looking building.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Growth and Development: SF seems to have a huge amount of construction downtown, don't remember as much going construction in Center City

Not much construction in Center City? Hmmm, when is the last time you were here? During the recession? There is a ton of construction going on in Center City and quite a few towers going up. There are cranes pretty much everywhere you look. There is a lot of smaller 4-10 floor developments happening all through the fringes of Center City as well. Then of course, there quite a few towers going up in University City.

Of course San Francisco is building a lot, and the towers in general are usually taller than the ones going up in Philly, but I don't think the amount of projects happening would be totally noticeable to the difference when walking around in each city respectively. Pretty cool fact that every neighborhood in Center City right now has at least one high rise being built in it.

Penn Center/Central Business district
Comcast Innovation & Technology Center - office/hotel/retail - 60 floors - 1,121 FT
1919 Market - luxury apartments/office/retail - 29 floors - 337 FT
2400 Market - office/luxury apartments/retail - 22 floors - 305 FT

Rittenhouse Square
1910 Chestnut - luxury apartments/retail - 32 floors - 406 FT
The Beacon - luxury apartments/retail - 14 floors - 197 FT
AQ Rittenhouse - luxury apartments/retail - 12 floors - 152 FT

Fitler Square
Children's Hospital of Philadelphia at 700 Schuylkill - office/medical/retail - 23 floors - 375 FT
One Riverside - luxury condos - 22 floors - 260 FT

Avenue of the Arts
SLS Lux Hotel & Residences - hotel/luxury condos/retail - 47 floors - 590 FT
W Hotel & Element by Westin - two hotels/retail - 52 floors - 582 FT
Cambria Hotel - hotel/retail - 15 floors - 182 FT

Logan Square
Riverwalk Phase 1 Tower - luxury apartments/retail - 21 floors - 220 FT
1900 Arch - luxury apartments/retail - 14 floors - 172 FT

Franklintown/Museum District
1601 Vine - luxury apartments/retail - 32 floors - 370 FT
Museum Towers II - luxury apartments/retail - 16 floors - 188 FT

Washington Square West
1213 Walnut - luxury apartments/retail - 26 floors - 294 FT

Market East
East Market - luxury apartments/office/retail - 21 floors - 281 FT

Chinatown
Chinatown Eastern Tower - luxury apartments/office/retail - 21 floors - 252 FT

Callowhill/Loft District
AC Hotel by Marriot - hotel - 14 floors - 175 FT

Old City
The Bridge - luxury apartments/retail - 17 floors - 197 FT

Society Hill
500 Walnut - luxury condos/retail - 26 floors - 380 FT

Penn's Landing
One Water Street - luxury apartments/retail - 16 floors - 198 FT

And for ****s and giggles, the high rises currently going up in UCity

University City
FMC Tower at Cira Centre South - office space/extended stay hotel/retail - 49 floors - 730 FT
Penn New Patient Pavilion - medical/healthcare - 21 floors - 325 FT
3601 Market - luxury apartments/retail - 28 floors - 320 FT
Penn Medicine South Tower - medical/healthcare/academic - 19 floors - 302 FT
The Summit - Drexel dormitory/retail - 25 floors - 279 FT
3737 Chestnut - luxury apartments/retail - 25 floors - 278 FT
One uCity Square - office/retail - 15 floors - 265 FT
3675 Market - office/retail - 15 floors - 241 FT
View32 - luxury apartments/retail - 17 floors - 206 FT

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by RightonWalnut

Not much construction in Center City? Hmmm, when is the last time you were here? During the recession? There is a ton of construction going on in Center City and quite a few towers going up. There are cranes pretty much everywhere you look. There is a lot of smaller 4-10 floor developments happening all through the fringes of Center City as well. Then of course, there quite a few towers going up in University City.

Of course San Francisco is building a lot, and the towers in general are usually taller than the ones going up in Philly, but I don't think the amount of projects happening would be totally noticeable to the difference when walking around in each city respectively. Pretty cool fact that every neighborhood in Center City right now has at least one high rise being built in it.

Penn Center/Central Business district
Comcast Innovation & Technology Center - office/hotel/retail - 60 floors - 1,121 FT
1919 Market - luxury apartments/office/retail - 29 floors - 337 FT
2400 Market - office/luxury apartments/retail - 22 floors - 305 FT

Rittenhouse Square
1910 Chestnut - luxury apartments/retail - 32 floors - 406 FT
The Beacon - luxury apartments/retail - 14 floors - 197 FT
AQ Rittenhouse - luxury apartments/retail - 12 floors - 152 FT

Fitler Square
Children's Hospital of Philadelphia at 700 Schuylkill - office/medical/retail - 23 floors - 375 FT
One Riverside - luxury condos - 22 floors - 260 FT

Avenue of the Arts
SLS Lux Hotel & Residences - hotel/luxury condos/retail - 47 floors - 590 FT
W Hotel & Element by Westin - two hotels/retail - 52 floors - 582 FT
Cambria Hotel - hotel/retail - 15 floors - 182 FT

Logan Square
Riverwalk Phase 1 Tower - luxury apartments/retail - 21 floors - 220 FT
1900 Arch - luxury apartments/retail - 14 floors - 172 FT

Franklintown/Museum District
1601 Vine - luxury apartments/retail - 32 floors - 370 FT
Museum Towers II - luxury apartments/retail - 16 floors - 188 FT

Washington Square West
1213 Walnut - luxury apartments/retail - 26 floors - 294 FT

Market East
East Market - luxury apartments/office/retail - 21 floors - 281 FT

Chinatown
Chinatown Eastern Tower - luxury apartments/office/retail - 21 floors - 252 FT

Callowhill/Loft District
AC Hotel by Marriot - hotel - 14 floors - 175 FT

Old City
The Bridge - luxury apartments/retail - 17 floors - 197 FT

Society Hill
500 Walnut - luxury condos/retail - 26 floors - 380 FT

Penn's Landing
One Water Street - luxury apartments/retail - 16 floors - 198 FT

And for ****s and giggles, the high rises currently going up in UCity

University City
FMC Tower at Cira Centre South - office space/extended stay hotel/retail - 49 floors - 730 FT
Penn New Patient Pavilion - medical/healthcare - 21 floors - 325 FT
3601 Market - luxury apartments/retail - 28 floors - 320 FT
Penn Medicine South Tower - medical/healthcare/academic - 19 floors - 302 FT
The Summit - Drexel dormitory/retail - 25 floors - 279 FT
3737 Chestnut - luxury apartments/retail - 25 floors - 278 FT
One uCity Square - office/retail - 15 floors - 265 FT
3675 Market - office/retail - 15 floors - 241 FT
View32 - luxury apartments/retail - 17 floors - 206 FT

Don't remember as much. It's a relative term. Last time I was there was for a weekend in February this year. There was a notable amount of construction, but SF downtown seemed to have something every few blocks.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by RightonWalnut

Let's stop pretending Salesforce Tower is so much taller than Comcast Innovation & Technology Center when in reality they're nearly the same height. Wilshire Grand is the worst offender definitely. It's actual roof height is about 830 feet. Then there is a metal/glass "fin" which brings it's height to 934 feet tall. Then there is a 166 foot tall thin spire which brings it's total height to 1,100 FT tall.

Salesforce Tower on the other end has a roof height of 912 FT tall. Then the mechanical penthouse brings the height to 970 FT tall. Lastly, there is then a 115 FT "open air metal screen wall" which brings the total height to 1,070 FT.

http://i.imgur.com/9z21JJQ.jpg

Lastly, Comcast Innovation & Technology Center has a roof height of 911 FT tall. Then the mechanical penthouse brings the height to 995 FT tall. Lastly there is then a 126 FT "architectural lantern" which brings the total height to 1,121 FT.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...ntral_axis.png

Both towers are also 60 floors, so there is no difference there. CITC is a much bulkier building than ST as well. ST is only 1.4 million square feet with all office space and ground floor retail.

Salesforce Tower

CITC is 1.7 million square feet with 1.33 million square feet of office space, and the remainder is a 222 room hotel, ground floor retail, and a rooftop restaurant with 360 degree views of the city.

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...otel-lobby.jpg
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...TED-2.2016.pdf

So they're about the same height realistically. But CITC is bigger, and mixed-use which means it will be livelier at all hours.

CITC also meets the street better than Salesforce in my opinion. It's entrances to the office and hotel portions are grand. I also love the outdoor glass elevators on the western side for the hotel:

http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...h-and-Arch.jpg
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...rance-2014.jpg

Salesforce's street presence is certainly more bland... but I do love how the tower has an entrance onto the rooftop park of the Transbay Terminal:

Salesforce Tower

Lastly, while they're both superb designs, I do like the look of CITC better than Salesforce.

CITC:
http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...ring-1-new.jpg

ST:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/hines-asset...20160310151202

Either way, I wouldn't try to brag about height over CITC for Salesforce. They're both about the same roof height.... and what really matters, which is architectural height and which is what the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habit measures buildings by, CITC is 51 FT taller.

Lastly, Philadelphia is already moving on to the next Supertall. The tallest tower in the new planned Schuylkill Yards development at 3101 Market Street is set to reach a height of 1,095 FT tall with a roof height of 1,025 FT and a 75 FT architectural crown. The tower will be 70 floors and likely a mix of office space and hotel space.

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...g?format=1500w

You can see in the diagram Salesforce has the most sustained height with no spire. CITI is the ugliest of the 3.
SF has a 900 footer that'll start well before shuylkill, and that project is very long term who knows what'll happen.

[kingtutaaa]

The recent discussion about Salesforce and Comcast Innovation Tower and quibbling about size well I don't know . Salesforce is being erected so technically it is an erection . It kinda looks like a phallic symbol , maybe yes . I think it needs a condom's over it . So Philly has a bigger one !!!!