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Old 11-23-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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Halifax is actually quite low, and generally in Canada the rate goes down as you go east and rises as you go west, and then drops a bit again as you reach the west coast.


The highest murder rate among major Canadian cities is Edmonton Alberta. It's between 4 and 5 per 100k. Second is Winnipeg Manitoba which is between 3 and 4.


In total Edmonton has had about 40 murders this year. Winnipeg, a slightly smaller city has had about 25.


Toronto the biggest city has the most with about 55 but that makes for a lower rate because it has 2.8 million people.


Canada's capital Ottawa just had its 13th murder of the year. It has about 950,000 people.


My city (Gatineau) which sits right next to Ottawa across the river has 280,000 people and we've had one murder this year.
So, the US safest large cities are equal or in range of the Canadian cities with the highest murder rates.

If you want to find a US city with at least 100k or more that have murder rates as low(or non existent) as Gatineau, Ottawa, Montreal, or Toronto on a yearly average, you will find that only in upper middle class suburban cities such as Naperville IL, Irvine CA, and the like. Naperville, in particular, was just named the safest city in the USA. It's a suburban city of nearly 150,000 that had no reported murders in 2016, and has gone without a single murder for 3-4 years in a row. Irvine CA(266,000) had 3 in the same year.
Naperville named 'safest city in United States' | abc7chicago.com

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Old 11-23-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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What is the cause of most murders in Winnepeg,Alberta and Halifax? Is Halifax thugged out?
As I said - Halifax's murder rate is not particularly high.


The highest urban murder rates in Canada tend to be found on the Prairies (Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan) and also some cities in northern Ontario like Thunder Bay.


The main variable in this seems to be higher (than the Canadian average) aboriginal populations that have fairly significant social problems stemming from a long history of physical and substance abuse unfortunately.
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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So, the US safest large cities are equal or in range of the Canadian cities with the highest murder rates.

If you want to find a US city with at least 100k or more that have murder rates as low(or non existent) as Gatineau, Ottawa, Montreal, or Toronto on a yearly average, you will find that only in upper middle class suburban cities such as Naperville IL, Irvine CA, and the like. Naperville, in particular, was just named the safest city in the USA. It's a suburban city of nearly 150,000 that had no reported murders in 2016, and has gone without a single murder for 3-4 years in a row. Irvine CA(266,000) had 3 in the same year.
Naperville named 'safest city in United States' | abc7chicago.com


Yeah, that's not really the case for many of the low murder rate cities in Canada.


Montreal has two million people and it has poor areas, rich areas, areas filled with recent immigrants struggling to get ahead, a fairly large organized crime scene divided between the mafia, bikergangs and ethnic street gangs, etc.


Even my city isn't really all pristine affluent middle class, and has some pretty crappy areas. (Some of the crappiest in the Ottawa-Gatineau metro in fact.) Our downtown in particular is not always the most hospitable place, and other not-so-nice neighbourhoods are found throughout the city.

But we don't kill each other much it's true.

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Old 11-23-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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One country that is often ignored in terms of safety is Chile. Second lowest murder rate in the western hemisphere, behind Canada. Valparaiso, considered to be one of the most dangerous cities, has a murder rate around 4/100k
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Unfortunately there was a homicide on Thanksgiving Eve. RIP to him.

Columbus, MS - 1

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Old 11-24-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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So, the US safest large cities are equal or in range of the Canadian cities with the highest murder rates.

If you want to find a US city with at least 100k or more that have murder rates as low(or non existent) as Gatineau, Ottawa, Montreal, or Toronto on a yearly average, you will find that only in upper middle class suburban cities such as Naperville IL, Irvine CA, and the like. Naperville, in particular, was just named the safest city in the USA. It's a suburban city of nearly 150,000 that had no reported murders in 2016, and has gone without a single murder for 3-4 years in a row. Irvine CA(266,000) had 3 in the same year.
Naperville named 'safest city in United States' | abc7chicago.com
Austin
NYC a bit above Toronto (would have like 71 homicides if it had the same size as Toronto)
San jose
San diego
Portland OR
Seattle
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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One country that is often ignored in terms of safety is Chile. Second lowest murder rate in the western hemisphere, behind Canada. Valparaiso, considered to be one of the most dangerous cities, has a murder rate around 4/100k
You guyz are seeing Canada as that frozen heaven....
Canada is not the safest western emisphere country, not even in the top 10... Canada homicide rate is higher than :

- Finlland
- France
- Romania
- Portugal
- Cyprus
- Ireland
- Serbia
- Pretty much every single European countries except Belgium...
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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Yeah, that's not really the case for many of the low murder rate cities in Canada.


Montreal has two million people and it has poor areas, rich areas, areas filled with recent immigrants struggling to get ahead, a fairly large organized crime scene divided between the mafia, bikergangs and ethnic street gangs, etc.


Even my city isn't really all pristine affluent middle class, and has some pretty crappy areas. (Some of the crappiest in the Ottawa-Gatineau metro in fact.) Our downtown in particular is not always the most hospitable place, and other not-so-nice neighbourhoods are found throughout the city.

But we don't kill each other much it's true.
The answer is simple :
Gun don't kill people, stupid people with guns kill people... But when those stupid people can not get guns, they can not kill people.
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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To compared countries especially countries as inequality divided as the US is not accurate.
The nationwide homicide rate in the US is about 4.5/100k. However the country is like 320M people and big, some region (+100M region are very different from one another...
Let break it down in the 4 majors region (culturally diverse by the way)...
The south, the northeast, the Midwest and the west.

The northeast and the Midwest have a homicide rate is a bit higher than Canada but lower than the national rate (about 2-3 / 100k).
The west is like 4 / 100k, now you have the south... which mess up everything with a homicide rate of about 7-10/100k.


Remove the south and the US homicide rate is still higher but almost on part with other western countries
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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Austin
NYC a bit above Toronto (would have like 71 homicides if it had the same size as Toronto)
San jose
San diego
Portland OR
Seattle
I had most of those cities in mind (admittedly not San Diego and San Jose) by saying American safest large cities have a murder rate about the same as Canadian cities with the highest murder rates. But, there are major cities in Canada with a murder rate of about <2/100k. I can't think of any large or major American cities that low. NYC might get there some day, but it's not there yet. Montreal, which is historically the "violent" city by Canadian standards currently has a murder rate of just 1/100k. At its peak, it had around 100 murders(out of 1.7 million people) during the 1970s.

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