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Agreed with almost all of this, but the diversity factor. NOVA's an absolute beast there.
Agreed. I think NoVa is pretty comparable to OC in diversity and has more balance among all races, meanwhile some demos are almost non-existent in the OC with very minimal gains since 2010.
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Agreed. I think NoVa is pretty comparable to OC in diversity and has more balance among all races, meanwhile some demos are almost non-existent in the OC with very minimal gains since 2010.
Correct, it's more diverse across the board. I believe there was a thread done comparing Fairfax County, VA, Bergen County, NJ, Middlesex County, NJ and Montgomery County, MD. OC was not compared in that thread, but I think it's a different type of diversity you find in OC and Bay Area suburbs. The Eastern suburbs typically you'll find a lot more nationalities, whereas West Coast suburbs will have a higher total number of Asians and maybe Hispanics, but very little Blacks and/or Caribbean/sub-Saharan Africa. Northern Virginia also has a heavy number of Middle Eastern/ north Africans too.
Orange County is way more diverse by Asian and Hispanic numbers. So if you’re just looking at NOVA, Orange County blows it out of the water in diversity because neither have a lot of black diversity (although NoVA may have a few more). If you expand to the DMV suburbs, then it becomes more even because the DC region has much more black diversity.
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Orange County is way more diverse by Asian and Hispanic numbers. So if you’re just looking at NOVA, Orange County blows it out of the water in diversity because neither have a lot of black diversity (although NoVA may have a few more). If you expand to the DMV suburbs, then it becomes more even because the DC region has much more black diversity.
OC is not way more diverse than all of NoVA by Hispanic numbers. It's way more populous by total number of Hispanics. What's way more diverse is the nationalities you find in closer proximity in NoVA. You literally will have subdivisions or immediate adjacent neighborhoods with Saudis, Pakistani, Eritreans, Koreans, Colombians, Panamanians, Salvadorians, Taiwanese, Sierre Leonean, Ethiopian etc. In a couple mile radius. OC primarily leads NOVA in Asian diversity, that's it. Which outside of the West Coast, NoVA is still as Asian diverse than pretty much anywhere.
Wiki tells me NoVa is over about 55% non-Hispanic white. OC is about 40%. You can dress that up however you’d like, but diversity is decidedly an OC edge.
At any rate, both seem nice areas. As an outsider, I’d rather visit OC. I’d also wouldn’t want to live in either to be fair. But for the answer here, I’d say OC is king of suburbia. It helped define the term in the 60s and 70s, and in this battle it’s the most unique. No offense to NoVa, but in most aspects outside Alexandria, you could be in any number of random East Coast suburbs. It being built out at a time of McUrbanism becoming the dominant architectural school doesn’t help in this regards.
Wiki tells me NoVa is over about 55% non-Hispanic white. OC is about 40%. You can dress that up however you’d like, but diversity is decidedly an OC edge.
At any rate, both seem nice areas. As an outsider, I’d rather visit OC. I’d also wouldn’t want to live in either to be fair. But for the answer here, I’d say OC is king of suburbia. It helped define the term in the 60s and 70s, and in this battle it’s the most unique. No offense to NoVa, but in most aspects outside Alexandria, you could be in any number of random East Coast suburbs. It being built out at a time of McUrbanism becoming the dominant architectural school doesn’t help in this regards.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that NoVa's non-Hispanic white population is more diverse than OC's non-white population. On top of having more diversity among Blacks and Hispanics.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that NoVa's non-Hispanic white population is more diverse than OC's non-white population. On top of having more diversity among Blacks and Hispanics.
I doubt that, but it'd be interesting to know. OC has real and very large ethnic neighborhoods too. Larger than anything in the DC metro, much less just NOVA. There's nothing equivalent to Little Saigon for example.
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Wiki tells me NoVa is over about 55% non-Hispanic white. OC is about 40%. You can dress that up however you’d like, but diversity is decidedly an OC edge.
That’s on the macro scale. For starters NoVa is a collection of counties and cities that make up a sub region of a sub region. OC is one distinct county. There are sections of NoVa where you find whites being the minority, although even in the DC metro area the most diverse individual county on the macro scale is actually Montgomery County, MD. Nonetheless both NoVa and OC are very diverse suburbia.
As mentioned earlier too the non-Hispanic white population is often split up amongst Russians, and/or other European whites in NoVa. So that has to be taken into account.
That’s on the macro scale. For starters NoVa is a collection of counties and cities that make up a sub region of a sub region. OC is one distinct county. There are sections of NoVa where you find whites being the minority, although even in the DC metro area the most diverse individual county on the macro scale is actually Montgomery County, MD. Nonetheless both NoVa and OC are very diverse suburbia.
As mentioned earlier too the non-Hispanic white population is often split up amongst Russians, and/or other European whites in NoVa. So that has to be taken into account.
What does this mean? NoVA and DC are not known to have a large Russian population. What are the numbers?
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