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I certainly didn't say Buffalo didn't have any smaller apts; there are plenty, esp architecturally rich ones like some of those you show. I just don't think there as many as Cleveland in as diverse of neighborhoods. Sadly many in Cleveland are in poor areas, are either crumbling and condemned or have been demolished.
You definitely have CLE issues though despite your denial. Who keeps saying CLE is a ''major city''? Right, you keep reading what you need to see.
The rub with you is that Cleveland does have museums comparable to a ''major city'', some theaters as well as some other points.
Don't worry, you don't have to keep reading into those points that CLE thinks ''major city'' league status because it has major league points to it like major league museums, theaters, 3 of the 4 major league sports teams, 1st city in western hemisphere to have direct rail service into its airport etc.
You may save yourself a lot of time and stress about the ''Cleveland thinks its a major league city''.
Forgot to add the Cleveland orchestra is considered to be the best u.s. orchestra among the big 5 in the u.s. and a top 10 in the world (the CLE orchestra is a big draw during its annual European tour). Then you get things like Cleveland being named a top world cultural city to visit in 2018 by National Geographic or Great Lakes cruise tours adding Cleveland as a stop.
This all drives peter1848 crazy to the point that he is obsessed with making the same negative points that Cleveland homers overplay the city. Maybe they know something the rest of the world seems to be discovering?
The best is the that peter1848 may state some positives about Cleveland but always ends with the passive-aggressive “but it has a long way to go.”
Exactly. The Prof is just showing a lack of knowledge of Buffalo. There is NOTHING special about the urban housing form in Cleveland. It replicated in EVERY mid major city in America, JUST like mid major Cleveland.
Having three pro sports teams means nothing....that's a legacy and it's largely there due to the past and also a severe lack of major college teams within hundreds of miles until you get to OSU (no, not Kent State). Tons of city has great theatre. Playhouse Square is nice but its nothing like Cleveland boosters make it out to be. You don't think any older city doesn't have several great theatres? Come on now! Buffalo has all this!
Exactly. The Prof is just showing a lack of knowledge of Buffalo. There is NOTHING special about the urban housing form in Cleveland. It replicated in EVERY mid major city in America, JUST like mid major Cleveland.
Having three pro sports teams means nothing....that's a legacy and it's largely there due to the past and also a severe lack of major college teams within hundreds of miles until you get to OSU (no, not Kent State). Tons of city has great theatre. Playhouse Square is nice but its nothing like Cleveland boosters make it out to be. You don't think any older city doesn't have several great theatres? Come on now! Buffalo has all this!
I still think Cleveland is a fine city, and much of what it has is not duplicated in most of the country, and should not be minimized. That there are similarities with other Great Lakes cities is to be expected, but most of the country is nothing like Cleveland ( I just think that Buffalo has some advantages in some areas).
Exactly. The Prof is just showing a lack of knowledge of Buffalo. There is NOTHING special about the urban housing form in Cleveland. It replicated in EVERY mid major city in America, JUST like mid major Cleveland.
Having three pro sports teams means nothing....that's a legacy and it's largely there due to the past and also a severe lack of major college teams within hundreds of miles until you get to OSU (no, not Kent State). Tons of city has great theatre. Playhouse Square is nice but its nothing like Cleveland boosters make it out to be. You don't think any older city doesn't have several great theatres? Come on now! Buffalo has all this!
The thing about Cleveland though is that iPlayhouse Square is 2nd largest performaning arts center in the U.S. not even a “major city” has the #2 spot; poor “mid-major Cleveland” is #2. Why doesn’t another “any older city” have the #2 spot here since they all have several great theaters?
Just another “major city” amenity in “mid-major” Cleveland. What surprises many people now, but annoys you, is how much excellent-to-top rated stuff Cleveland has.
The thing about Cleveland though is that iPlayhouse Square is 2nd largest performaning arts center in the U.S. not even a “major city” has the #2 spot; poor “mid-major Cleveland” is #2. Why doesn’t another “any older city” have the #2 spot here since they all have several great theaters?
Just another “major city” amenity in “mid-major” Cleveland. What surprises many people now, but annoys you, is how much excellent-to-top rated stuff Cleveland has.
Kamms....it isn't special! Every city over a million has this stuff. Seriously, I am not making it up. I was not overwhelmed at all on several visits to that area. Sure, it's slightly bigger and more intact than most mid sized to medium large theatre districts, but it CANNOT compare to the top 10 or 15 cities. Not even close.
That's why on every facet except exurbs, Cleveland and Buffalo are alot alike.
Kamms....it isn't special! Every city over a million has this stuff. Seriously, I am not making it up. I was not overwhelmed at all on several visits to that area. Sure, it's slightly bigger and more intact than most mid sized to medium large theatre districts, but it CANNOT compare to the top 10 or 15 cities. Not even close.
That's why on every facet except exurbs, Cleveland and Buffalo are alot alike.
Relax...stress isn’t healthy..no one is saying Cleveland is a “major city” just that it has the 2nd largest performing arts center in the US. The fact that you think playhouse square isn’t a big deal doesn’t defeat the fact that Cleveland has the 2nd largest performing arts center in the U.S. Of course it wasn’t a big deal to you, it’s in Cleveland.
Who made the comparison to the top 10 or 15 cities? Right, you (what a surprise).
What are the other mid sized cities theater districts that Cleveland’s is just slightly bigger than? That said, what are the other major cities theater that have larger theater districts akin to playhouse square. I guess mid to medium to top cities that would rank #3+. We all know most cities have theaters and larger ones like Chicago have theaters spread all over the place.
Where can else can you visit the rock roll hall of fame and the polka music hall of fame? I mean c’mon, Cleveland has the polka music hall of fame. Can it get any better?
While we’re at it, what about the concentration of culture and museums in university circle? Which cities do you rank higher in this regard, including buffalo? Can Buffalo compare?
Please remember, if you choose to respond, to stick to concentrations (ie. compact disfricts) of performing arts centers and separate compact districts of culture/museums.
Cleveland is considered a top arts supporting city among large cities; pretty much right up within the top few in community arts funding (last ranking I recall was #2 behind Minneapolis I believe).)
Of course New York City is excluded for both and Washington DC for culture/museums? Is buffalo up there on any of these?
I like buffalo and have never put it down. I need an update visits though, it’s an interesting city with a unique history.
That whole northeast v Midwest nonsense is misplaced; Lakes Erie and Ontario cities are Eastern Great Lakes so Cleveland and buffalo are eastern Great Lakes cities. Proudly so btw.
Relax...stress isn’t healthy..no one is saying Cleveland is a “major city” just that it has the 2nd largest performing arts center in the US. The fact that you think playhouse square isn’t a big deal doesn’t defeat the fact that Cleveland has the 2nd largest performing arts center in the U.S. Of course it wasn’t a big deal to you, it’s in Cleveland.
Who made the comparison to the top 10 or 15 cities? Right, you (what a surprise).
What are the other mid sized cities theater districts that Cleveland’s is just slightly bigger than? That said, what are the other major cities theater that have larger theater districts akin to playhouse square. I guess mid to medium to top cities that would rank #3+. We all know most cities have theaters and larger ones like Chicago have theaters spread all over the place.
Where can else can you visit the rock roll hall of fame and the polka music hall of fame? I mean c’mon, Cleveland has the polka music hall of fame. Can it get any better?
While we’re at it, what about the concentration of culture and museums in university circle? Which cities do you rank higher in this regard, including buffalo? Can Buffalo compare?
Please remember, if you choose to respond, to stick to concentrations (ie. compact disfricts) of performing arts centers and separate compact districts of culture/museums.
Cleveland is considered a top arts supporting city among large cities; pretty much right up within the top few in community arts funding (last ranking I recall was #2 behind Minneapolis I believe).)
Of course New York City is excluded for both and Washington DC for culture/museums? Is buffalo up there on any of these?
I like buffalo and have never put it down. I need an update visits though, it’s an interesting city with a unique history.
That whole northeast v Midwest nonsense is misplaced; Lakes Erie and Ontario cities are Eastern Great Lakes so Cleveland and buffalo are eastern Great Lakes cities. Proudly so btw.
Quick note 2nd largest Theatre Districts=/= 2nd largest Theatre Complex, Cleveland has the latter but not the former. However it’s still more than most if not all of its peers.
Quick note 2nd largest Theatre Districts=/= 2nd largest Theatre Complex, Cleveland has the latter but not the former. However it’s still more than most if not all of its peers.
Regardless, Pretty impressive that Cleveland has playhouse square and places like Philadelphia,Boston, dc, do not. People should think about that. Cleveland has the arts scene of a city twice its size.
Regardless, Pretty impressive that Cleveland has playhouse square and places like Philadelphia,Boston, dc, do not. People should think about that. Cleveland has the arts scene of a city twice its size.
Playhouse Sq is one of the few actual Theatre districts in Mid sized cities. Most have 1 or 2. although Buffalo is also pretty impressive it has 4-5 theatres in its Thatre district over like 3 sq blocks. Which is fitting for a 1/2 scale Cleveland.
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