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Since this topic is specific to South Asia and not just India, we need to also see stats for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal. New York has a massive Pakistani and Bangladeshi population, with the latter group in particular growing at a massive rate especially in Queens. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bangladeshis surpass the 100k mark in time for the 2020 census (city proper and not MSA/CSA).
Right, like for Pakistani Americans in 2010 it was:
Metropolitan Area Pakistani Households
New York City 39,865
Chicago 17,313
Houston 15,206
DC-VA-MD Tri-State Area 11,672
Los Angeles 10,683
Dallas 7,061
San Francisco/San Jose 6,698
Miami-Fort Lauderdale 4,444
Atlanta 3,740
I think it's also extremely lopsided towards NYC for Bangladeshi and Nepal as well. There are also a lot of Indians by way of the Caribbean in NYC who may be counted differently in censuses.
US Cities by Asian Indian Population, 2017
10,000+
New York, NY 246,454
San Jose, CA 70,225
Fremont, CA 63,944
Chicago, IL 38,931
Los Angeles, CA 34,910
Jersey City, NJ 34,708
Houston, TX 34,203
Irving, TX 31,116
San Diego, CA 29,123
Plano, TX 28,485
Santa Clara, CA 28,350
Austin, TX 28,153
Sunnyvale, CA 26,118
Charlotte, NC 24,580
Frisco, TX 23,945
Philadelphia, PA 22,900
Phoenix, AZ 22,855
Cary, NC 20,311
Naperville, IL 18,883
Bellevue, WA 18,763
Irvine, CA 18,204
San Francisco, CA 17,371
Columbus, OH 16,454
San Ramon, CA 15,994
Sugar Land, TX 14,202
Milpitas, CA 14,171
Fresno, CA 14,030
Dallas, TX 13,212
Union City, CA 12,850
San Antonio, TX 12,688
Schaumburg, IL 12,653
Jacksonville, FL 12,514
Pleasanton, CA 12,321
Sacramento, CA 12,301
Seattle, WA 12,261
Troy, MI 11,771
Aurora, IL 11,164
Chandler, AZ 10,661
Mountain View, CA 10,266
Right, like for Pakistani Americans in 2010 it was:
Metropolitan Area Pakistani Households
New York City 39,865
Chicago 17,313
Houston 15,206
DC-VA-MD Tri-State Area 11,672
Los Angeles 10,683
Dallas 7,061
San Francisco/San Jose 6,698
Miami-Fort Lauderdale 4,444
Atlanta 3,740
I think it's also extremely lopsided towards NYC for Bangladeshi and Nepal as well. There are also a lot of Indians by way of the Caribbean in NYC who may be counted differently in censuses.
Youre right that we need to consider all South Asian countries, but we need more recent numbers. As of 2017, below were the foreign born communities by metro area of each South Asian country:
Afghanistan
1. Washington DC MSA: 13,245 people
2. San Francisco MSA: 8318 people
3. NYC MSA: 7493 people
4. Sacramento MSA: 5951 people
5. Los Angeles MSA: 5443 people
6. San Diego MSA: 3097 people
7. Stockton, CA MSA: 2345 people
8. Riverside, CA MSA: 2181 people
9. Atlanta MSA: 2133 people
10. Dallas MSA: 1714 people
11. San Jose MSA: 1225 people
12. Houston MSA: 1202 people
13. Richmond, VA MSA: 1179 people
14. Seattle MSA: 1077 people
15. Phoenix MSA: 1024 people
Bangladesh
1. NYC MSA: 101,980 people
2. Detroit MSA: 13,250 people
3. Washington DC MSA: 13,177 people
4. Philadelphia MSA: 8039 people
5. Los Angeles MSA: 7022 people
6. Dallas MSA: 6680 people
7. Atlanta MSA: 4925 people
8. Miami MSA: 4202 people
9. Houston MSA: 4165 people
10. Chicago MSA: 3351 people
11. Boston MSA: 3344 people
12. Atlantic City, NJ MSA: 3047 people
13. San Francisco MSA: 2519 people
14. Riverside, CA MSA: 1989 people
15. Baltimore MSA: 1645 people
India
1. NYC MSA: 357,087 people
2. Chicago MSA: 138,288 people
3. San Francisco MSA: 118,870 people
4. San Jose MSA: 118,753 people
5. Dallas MSA: 102,090 people
6. Washington DC MSA: 96,480 people
7. Los Angeles MSA: 89,383 people
8. Houston MSA: 82,512 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 75,945 people
10. Atlanta MSA: 71,972 people
11. Seattle MSA: 63,248 people
12. Boston MSA: 52,968 people
13. Detroit MSA: 49,209 people
14. Phoenix MSA: 33,195 people
15. Minneapolis MSA: 26,441 people
Nepal
1. NYC MSA: 10,793 people
2. DC MSA: 9637 people
3. Dallas MSA: 9383 people
4. San Francisco MSA: 4821 people
5. Boston MSA: 4521 people
6. Baltimore MSA: 3217 people
7. Los Angeles MSA: 3041 people
8. Denver MSA: 2892 people
9. Houston MSA: 2799 people
10. Atlanta MSA: 2697 people
11. Seattle MSA: 2157 people
12. Columbus, OH MSA: 2134 people
13. Philadelphia MSA: 2103 people
14. Chicago MSA: 2062 people
15. San Jose MSA: 1680 people
Pakistan
1. NYC MSA: 79,347 people
2. DC MSA: 31,029 people
3. Houston MSA: 30,243 people
4. Chicago MSA: 26,096 people
5. Dallas MSA: 17,084 people
6. Los Angeles MSA: 13,921 people
7. San Francisco MSA: 9396 people
8. Baltimore MSA: 9355 people
9. Atlanta: 9318 people
10. Philadelphia MSA: 8365 people
11. Detroit MSA: 6675 people
12. Miami MSA: 6164 people
13. Sacramento MSA: 5751 people
14. Riverside, CA MSA: 5199 people
15. Stockton, CA MSA: 4826 people
Sri Lanka
1. NYC MSA: 7649 people
2. Los Angeles MSA: 7168 people
3. DC MSA: 3770 people
4. Houston MSA: 1979 people
5. San Francisco MSA: 1427 people
6. Dallas MSA: 1426 people
7. Philadelphia MSA: 1220 people
8. Boston MSA: 1167 people
9. Riverside, CA MSA: 992 people
10. Baltimore MSA: 959 people
11. Las Vegas MSA: 910 people
12. Chicago MSA: 810 people
13. San Jose MSA: 731 people
14. Minneapolis MSA: 723 people
15. Seattle MSA: 689 people
Based on these numbers, we can conclusively say that the top 5 metro areas for South Asians are (in order):
NYC
The Bay Area
Chicago
DC
Dallas
I dont see a place like LA or Houston in the top five. The numbers dont support it.
Is there enough separation between the Bay Area and Chicago/DC that it is own tier or is it stlll in that tier?
Also I wonder what the linguistic breakdown looks like. I believe for example, Vancouver’s South asians are most Punjabi speaking, while Toronto has more of the Hindi and Urdu mix. I could be wrong but since South India has more tech companies, I think the Bay Area has a more South Indian mix than most other metros.
Is there enough separation between the Bay Area and Chicago/DC that it is own tier or is it stlll in that tier?
Also I wonder what the linguistic breakdown looks like. I believe for example, Vancouver’s South asians are most Punjabi speaking, while Toronto has more of the Hindi and Urdu mix. I could be wrong but since South India has more tech companies, I think the Bay Area has a more South Indian mix than most other metros.
Yes there is.
DC is Dallas’ peer in this category not the Bay Areas.
Chicago’s South Asian community is much older and would be above Dallas/DC but not enough to get it up to the Bay Area.
And yes Vancouvers South Asian community isn’t diverse at all. It’s ultra Punjabi.
The fact that Jersey City and Los Angeles have the same number of Asian Indians is fascinating give that the latter has over 15 X the population of the former.
That's kind of a shocker. I think the difference between Chicago and the Bay Area is that there aren't any single city out there that has as many Desis as Chicago proper, but I could be wrong. Why does the Bay have more than twice as many Desis as LA? Is it all Silicon Valley related?
Most Indian people in the Chicago area live in the suburbs, not the city. Although there are a bunch of Indians who live both downtown in Chicago and far north around Devon Avenue. To answer your question before, if strictly going by MSA alone, then Chicago has the most after NYC. However, if you go by CSA, then the Bay Area has the 2nd most and then DC+Baltimore or Chicago has 3rd most
Foreign Born Population of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka by MSA, 2017 (5 year ACS, table B05006):
1. NYC MSA: 556,946 people
2. Chicago MSA: 170,607 people
3. Washington DC MSA: 154,093 people
4. San Francisco MSA: 137,033 people
5. Dallas MSA: 136,663 people
6. San Jose MSA: 126,482 people
7. Houston MSA: 121,698 people
8. Los Angeles MSA: 120,535 people
9. Philadelphia MSA: 95,672 people
10. Atlanta MSA: 89,500 people
11. Seattle MSA: 70,761 people
12. Detroit MSA: 70,315 people
13. Boston MSA: 65,832 people
14. Baltimore MSA: 40,780 people
15. Phoenix MSA: 36,702 people
16. Miami MSA: 33,973 people
17. Sacramento MSA: 33,877 people
18. Austin MSA: 31,844 people
19. Minneapolis MSA: 31,187 people
20. Charlotte MSA: 27,989 people
21. San Diego MSA: 25,908 people
22. Riverside, CA MSA: 25,762 people
23. Raleigh, NC MSA: 25,498 people
24. Tampa MSA: 24,941 people
25. Columbus, OH MSA: 23,258 people
Foreign Born Population of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka by city proper only, 2017 (5 year ACS, table B05006):
1. NYC: 219,753 people
2. San Jose: 48,965 people
3. Fremont, CA: 42,945 people
4. Houston: 35,002 people
5. Los Angeles: 35,000 people
6. Chicago: 29,617 people
7. Jersey City, NJ: 28,362 people
8. Irving, TX: 24,660 people
9. Sunnyvale, CA: 24,075 people
10. Plano, TX: 21,921 people
11. Charlotte: 19,311 people
12. Austin: 18,865 people
13. Philadelphia: 17,786 people
14. San Diego: 17,482 people
15. Santa Clara, CA: 17,430 people
16. Phoenix: 14,854 people
17. Columbus, OH: 13,711 people
18. Bellevue, WA: 13,700 people
19. Cary, NC: 11,837 people
20. Cupertino, CA: 11,247 people
21. Irvine, CA: 11,047 people
22. Frisco, TX: 10,977 people
23. Naperville, IL: 10,859 people
24. Fresno, CA: 10,840 people
25. San Francisco: 10,177 people
26. Dallas: 10,083 people
27. San Antonio: 10,018 people
28. Sugar Land, TX: 9934 people
29. San Ramon, CA: 9897 people
30. Redmond, WA: 9702 people
31. Union City, CA: 9080 people
32. Seattle: 8968 people
33. Milpitas, CA: 8950 people
34. Sacramento, CA: 8928 people
35. Troy, MI: 8672 people
36. Schaumburg, IL: 8113 people
37. Bakersfield, CA: 7678 people
38. Pleasanton, CA: 7418 people
39. Fort Worth, TX: 7213 people
40. Johns Creek, GA: 7092 people
41. Iselin, NJ: 7062 people
42. Dublin, CA: 6737 people
43. Aurora, IL: 6736 people
44. Chandler, AZ: 6647 people
45. Yuba City, CA: 6501 people
46. Boston: 6395 people
47. Hoffman Estates, IL: 6003 people
48. Jacksonville: 5847 people
49. Torrance, CA: 5819 people
50. Overland Park, KS: 5782 people
Last edited by marothisu; 02-16-2019 at 01:37 PM..
DC is Dallas’ peer in this category not the Bay Areas.
Chicago’s South Asian community is much older and would be above Dallas/DC but not enough to get it up to the Bay Area.
And yes Vancouvers South Asian community isn’t diverse at all. It’s ultra Punjabi.
Is Chicago’s South Asian community closer to the Bay’s just based on history than it is to DC/Dallas? I think before the explosion of Silicon Valley, Chicago was the definite #2 but now that’s snatched away
What’s interesting about South Asia is that there’s more differences between the different language groups there than there is between countries as a whole. Punjabis can be Indian or Pakistani, and also be Muslim/Hindu/Sikh. There are nearly as many Bengali speakers in India as there is in Bangladesh, Tamils could be Indian or Sri Lankan, etc.
Vancouver though is mostly Sikh Punjabi. NYC does skew more Muslim than non-Muslim, etc.
Is Chicago’s South Asian community closer to the Bay’s just based on history than it is to DC/Dallas? I think before the explosion of Silicon Valley, Chicago was the definite #2 but now that’s snatched away
The interesting part is that the Indian population in Chicago and San Jose are growing at the same super fast rate(20% in five years is stunning), it's just that SF-Oakland's Indian population is actually growing at twice that rate, which is astounding, and will likely surpass Chicago by itself very soon
San Francisco MSA
2017 212,619
2013 151,354
5-year growth +61,265
5-year percent change +40.39%
San Jose MSA
2017 184,614
2018 152,863
5-year growth +31,751
5-year percent change +21.05%
As I posted earlier, it's noteworthy that the South Bay is close to 10% Indian, probably the highest of any US Metro Area.
Last edited by 18Montclair; 02-16-2019 at 02:05 PM..
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