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I live and work in NYC - over 50% of my office of 1000 people were born in India, and there's some more born in Pakistan and Bangladesh. They speak numerous languages at the office other than English - most bring food from home. And although Manhattan doesn't have a large Indian population, the fact that so many work in Manhattan means there's areas with a ton of Indian stores and food. I work for arguably one of the most powerful companies on earth - more powerful than Google, Amazon, or Facebook - so many very high up executives from India work here. No they aren't Billionaires, but no the Bay Area is not the only place with high up executives at powerful companies from South Asia.
I'm not sure how what you're saying is any different from what someone in various industries in NYC sees on a daily basis either. Perhaps you should spend some time in NYC and understand this too.
I also asked an Indian friend of mine this very influence question - he's lived in SF (he founded a startup, which eventually went belly-up after a few years) and also lived in NYC before, but lives in Chicago now. He told me that he personally found the Bay Area and NYC close for influence, but he would personally give the edge to NYC. He thought it was somewhat close though.
Why do you keep bringing New York into the conversation when we're debating everywhere except New York? I dont get it.
And yes thid group is successful everywhere but not only do Indians represent nearly 10% of the SJ metro, notwithstanding they still earn more than metros with far smaller proportions, which speaks volumes.
Selected Metro Areas(MSA) by South Central Asian Foreign Born Average Household Income, 2017
San Jose $205,544
San Francisco $182,627
Boston $161,533
Washington DC $141,633
Houston $136,435
New York $134,707
Dallas $128,852
Chicago $126,870
Los Angeles $120,353
^ Didn't we already establish that Bay Area is #2? I mean I've personally said it 5 times in here (now a 6th). Maybe you are thinking I'm actually somebody else yet again that's trying to debate that Bay Area isn't #2. Bay Area is pretty solidly #2, and honestly difference between NYC and Bay Area isn't huge for this.
I'm actually more curious who #3 - #5 is - which I think it would be Chicago, DC, and Dallas next, but not sure of the order - I'd go with the one I stated
1. NYC
2. Bay Area
3. Chicago
4. DC
5. Dallas
6. Houston?
Can anyone pull the breakdown of Indian vs non Indian for total South Asian population per metro/city? Also % in main city vs metro? It’ll give a better sense of the diversity of the makeup, as well as urban/suburban divide.
I'm actually more curious who #3 - #5 is - which I think it would be Chicago, DC, and Dallas next, but not sure of the order - I'd go with the one I stated
1. NYC
2. Bay Area
3. Chicago
4. DC
5. Dallas
6. Houston?
How would the tiers look like? I think 1 and 2 would be in their own tiers, with 3-5 being in another tier. Though one could make the argument that Chicago belongs in the Bay Area tier simply because of age of the community but the Bay Area seems to be pulling away quite handily away.
How would the tiers look like? I think 1 and 2 would be in their own tiers, with 3-5 being in another tier. Though one could make the argument that Chicago belongs in the Bay Area tier simply because of age of the community but the Bay Area seems to be pulling away quite handily away.
I don't even know. I like to hear my friends' perspectives, so I asked another one who is from India who lives around here in Jersey City - he's been in the US probably 8 years. Hasn't lived in the Bay Area but has visited a bunch. When I posed the question to him, he said he would give the edge to NYC. But then he said "if you include New Jersey then nobody else in the country even comes close." Not my opinion, but basically his opinion is that NYC is in a tier of its own with this, then Bay Area in another tier. Not sure if you can even include DC, Chicago, and Dallas in the tier with Bay Area - maybe DC and Chicago - maybe, but that might even be a stretch.
NYC / Tri-State Area runs a much broader gamut in its South Asian population and not just Indian or white collar Indian. The Bay Area is not remotely close so it makes sense that NYC was taken out of the comparison. Then again, the Bay Area should also be taken out as a solid second. Also doesn’t make sense to take Northern New Jersey out of the comparison as SF itself doesn’t have that large proportionally or in raw numbers a South Asian population. Its solidly second place is from the Bay Area CSA.
Journal Square even has paan vendors in heated competition with each other even along a single block.
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That said, my mind keeps going back to this. The SF MSA itself edges out the NYC MSA and SFs South Asian population is absolutely booming.
And all of that doesnt even include San Jose, which is nearly 1 in 10, far and away the highest percentage of all US metros, twice as high and the next large metro, SF...lol
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Top 50 by percentage of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepalese, and Sri Lankan born anywhere in the world in 2017:
1. San Jose MSA: 9.33%
2. Yuba City, CA MSA: 7.17%
3. Trenton, NJ MSA: 6%
4. San Francisco MSA: 4.67%
5. NYC MSA: 4.46%
6. Atlantic City, NJ MSA: 4.12%
7. Columbus, IN MSA: 4.01%
8. Washington DC MSA: 3.92%
9. Stockton, CA MSA: 3.83%
10. Bloomington, IL MSA: 3.4%
11. Raleigh, NC MSA: 2.95%
12. Ann Arbor, MI MSA: 2.94%
13. Dallas MSA: 2.84%
14. Houston MSA: 2.79%
15. Chicago MSA: 2.78%
16. Seattle MSA: 2.76%
17. Sacramento MSA: 2.61%
18. Hartford, CT MSA: 2.48%
19T. Austin MSA: 2.45%
19T. Bridgeport, CT MSA: 2.45%
21. Atlanta MSA: 2.43%
22. Philadelphia MSA: 2.34%
23. Fresno, CA MSA: 2.32%
24. Detroit MSA: 2.31%
25. Ithaca, NY MSA: 2.29%
26. Baltimore MSA: 2.17%
27. Boston MSA: 2.14%
28. Champaign, IL MSA: 2.13%
29. Manchester, NH MSA: 2.06%
30. Albany, NY MSA: 2.01%
31. Merced, CA MSA: 1.9%
32. Gainesville, FL MSA: 1.88%
33. Oxnard, CA MSA: 1.82%
34. New Haven, CT MSA: 1.81%
35. Modesto, CA MSA: 1.8%
36T. Lafayette, IN MSA: 1.72%
36T. Richmond, VA MSA: 1.72%
36T. Worcester, MA MSA: 1.72%
39T. Ames, IA MSA: 1.71%
39T. Columbus, OH MSA: 1.71%
41T. Harrisburg, PA MSA: 1.7%
41T. Orlando MSA: 1.7%
43. Charlotte MSA: 1.69%
44. College Station, TX MSA: 1.63%
45. Lansing, MI MSA: 1.57%
46. Los Angeles MSA: 1.48%
47T. Bakersfield, CA MSA: 1.4%
47T. Vallejo, CA MSA: 1.4%
49. Minneapolis MSA: 1.38%
50. Lawrence, KS MSA: 1.37%
It would be cool to get some Desi posters in here to compare and contrast their experiences in all three areas. Compared to other ethnic groups though, South Asians are spread pretty evenly throughout the United States, which is pretty cool. South Asians don't seem to be scared of moving to completely foreign places with people who may or may not like them as much.
Hell, Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley became governors of states that don't have huge Desi populations. Because I'm really into basketball, the first Desi owner of a major sports franchise in North America isn't in any huge major market or even the Toronto Raptors (that would've been my guess), but the Sacramento Kings.
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I don't even know. I like to hear my friends' perspectives, so I asked another one who is from India who lives around here in Jersey City - he's been in the US probably 8 years. Hasn't lived in the Bay Area but has visited a bunch. When I posed the question to him, he said he would give the edge to NYC. But then he said "if you include New Jersey then nobody else in the country even comes close." Not my opinion, but basically his opinion is that NYC is in a tier of its own with this, then Bay Area in another tier. Not sure if you can even include DC, Chicago, and Dallas in the tier with Bay Area - maybe DC and Chicago - maybe, but that might even be a stretch.
Yeah, I've asked some of my Desi friends too. They've told me that NYC/NJ (especially) is by far #1, but everything after 1 was a bit muddled. I think the Bay Area doesn't have quite the media influence yet in the South Asian community since everything seems to run through NYC and Toronto, but given how fast the population out there is growing, that is most likely going to change.
I think the age of the Chicago Desi community has made a huge difference in this perception. I'm not Desi though so I'm completely speculating.
New York continues to receive much over twice the immigration than SF/SJ on an annual basis from South Asia, so there’s no way that it ever loses its status as #1 in the US ( and likely number 3 in the West behind London and Toronto). DHS has some verifiable stats on this. If I recall, the immigration from Bangladesh alone into the NY MSA trumps the entire South Asian immigration into the SF CSA.
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