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Which is why I specified "the city itself" ,which unfortunately, as you should know, is what every American who doesn't use City Data thinks is most important. You say bigger city, they immediately think a bigger skyline. So far from the truth. "bigger city" to most people means "more like New York City" lol.
I doubt "most people."
Also it works differently in the business world. A downtown serves the whole area, not just the people inside an arbitrary line.
Milwaukee. For such a largw city IT BARELY has a skyline. I found this out last week and I was SHOCKED.
What I like about Milwaukee's skyline, is that it's growing. Secondly, it goes north of downtown...almost coastal-like, with condos and apartments overlooking Lake Michigan. Actually, that is quite stunning. AND, Milwaukee skyline is pretty much on Lake Michigan, which is pretty cool, as well. SO, there's that. For a city population of half a million, it's not bad.
North of downtown...condos all overlooking Lake Michigan.
Milwaukee. For such a largw city IT BARELY has a skyline. I found this out last week and I was SHOCKED.
I've never been to Milwaukee so I don't know the vantage points from where the skyline is most often viewed, but this doesn't look "barely a skyline" to me.
I've never been to Milwaukee so I don't know the vantage points from where the skyline is most often viewed, but this doesn't look "barely a skyline" to me.
It looks like a very appropriate skyline for a metro of 1.5M.
It looks like a very appropriate skyline for a metro of 1.5M.
Not only that, but like Chicago, the skyline is right on Lake Michigan...not a lot of Midwest cities can claim that. Also, a river runs right through downtown Milwaukee...just like Chicago. These buildings on the river might not add a lot to the skyline, but they sure add a lot to the city.
It looks like a very appropriate skyline for a metro of 1.5M.
I agree and have been to Milwaukee. The skyline is good based on the population. It is a nice view if you have ever toured using the Milwaukee Boat Line. Milwaukee also has great density in the core which adds to the downtown.
Milwaukee also has a very consistent density of 4-6 story buildings throughout its core. It is very solid midrise density.
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I'll defer to you on this point, but practically every sizable metropolitan area has a jobs-rich suburban area like that. It doesn't seem like Jacksonville is any worse than most of the others here.
I knew there was another smaller cluster of towers on the northbank somewhere but was too lazy to look it up lol. There's also a skyline I came across years ago that views it from the west I believe and shows off the breadth of the city's total skyline. But here are some I just ran across and it helps sometimes if you Google panorama instead of skyline.
I especially like the first one. I had to actually enlarge it to make sure it was really Jacksonville.
What I've discovered about waterfront cities in particular is that their tallest towers tend to be closest to the water but the "backside" hides a good amount of density.
Yes you have a valid point. I think Jax suffers a bit more than the norm (most places don't have one single suburban area that matches or has surpassed the employment numbers of downtown, which is what has happened in Jax depending on whose numbers you rely on) but often times it is used as a far greater excuse than it should be.
As for those photos, thanks for sharing. Definitely some cool shots and new vantage points that I have not seen before!
I think most Sunbelt cities have seen their share of office parks that in a different decade would have been downtown. Downtown Raleigh/Durham are only the 5th and 8th respectively largest submarkets for existing office inventory in the Triangle for instance. Downtown Atlanta is the 4th largest in their metro. They are the norm for places that experienced excessive growth after the rise of cars and Americans love affair with culdesacs. Building in a centralized downtown became a sometimes thing rather than a must.
I think most Sunbelt cities have seen their share of office parks that in a different decade would have been downtown. Downtown Raleigh/Durham are only the 5th and 8th respectively largest submarkets for existing office inventory in the Triangle for instance. Downtown Atlanta is the 4th largest in their metro. They are the norm for places that experienced excessive growth after the rise of cars and Americans love affair with culdesacs. Building in a centralized downtown became a sometimes thing rather than a must.
Using Collier’s, they say the three biggest submarkets for Atlanta are in the suburbs: Central Perimeter, North Fulton (Alpharetta), and Northwest Atlanta (Marietta).
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