Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-28-2019, 02:53 PM
 
1,798 posts, read 1,121,551 times
Reputation: 2479

Advertisements

To clarify, you mean "public transportation" or "transit" system?

Because one could easily argue that San Diego has a better transportation system than any of the ones mentioned. It's incredibly efficient to get around by automobile and the transit system is pretty good itself. As a whole, the transportation network works very well. As a result, San Diego has the shortest commute of the 25 largest metropolitan areas. So if we are talking about the ability to move people, San Diego should be in the running.

Now I understand there are plenty of other metrics to rate a transportation system (access, cost, options, etc.), but at the surface, San Diego's is the most efficient.

NYC, Chicago, DC, etc. have good transit systems, but does it really have a good transportation system? Traffic is a nightmare, so I'd say no.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-28-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
5,864 posts, read 15,237,207 times
Reputation: 6767
Quote:
Originally Posted by frimpter928 View Post
In LA I was shocked to see that the trains only come in every 10 minutes during rush hour, and some main bus lines only come in every 30 minutes during rush hours as well.
This is absolutely false.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
12,159 posts, read 7,985,265 times
Reputation: 10123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spade View Post
You may not like MTA. But there is no way these cities would surpass it in 100 years let alone 20 years.
Again Quality, not quantity. The MTA is extensive, but is one of the worst in on time performance, cleanliness and fleet quality/age. Just because is the most extensive doesnt make it the 'best'. Yeah theres 20 million people in the metro, it better be the most extensive? It just doesnt meet the cut for on time performance and quality of the product, partially due to lack of funding.

Ive lived in 4 major cities including NYC, and it was the most unreliable service out of all services Ive been on. The PATH system (NJ -> Manhattan), separate from the MTA, is one of the best systems Ive been on in contrast.


https://www.businessinsider.com/publ...subway-2017-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...subway-2016-02

https://www.metro.us/new-york/how-ol...--4pczyys6rslq

Now compare this system to the Seattle or San Fran systems ... yes they are smaller, but you know how many less people live in those metros?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
2,752 posts, read 2,403,124 times
Reputation: 3155
If the top of the list isn't
1) NYC
2) Chicago

I automatically write it off as a joke.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Northern California
4,601 posts, read 2,992,254 times
Reputation: 8349
Quote:
Originally Posted by masssachoicetts View Post
in 20 years, (by quality.. not quantity, sorry MTA)

Top 10 Rail Only
1. Los Angeles
2. San Francisco
3. Seattle
4. Washington DC
5. Portland OR
6. Boston
7. Chicago
8. Philadelphia
9. New Jersey & PATH
10. Denver
It's been many years since I lived in DC, and I understand the Metro hasn't been
as well-maintained as it should have been (giant understatement?),
but it has to be better than SF.... BART skips big sections of the SF Metro area,
and doesn't even serve SF itself adequately -- it has only one line in SF, and no service in
the entire NW half of town. Basically BART is a funnel to pour suburban
commuters into downtown SF... the DC Metro is a much more comprehensive
transit system. The Purple Line is a sign that Metro is adapting to suburb-to-suburb travel;
how many other US systems have done that yet?

Seattle and LA both have impressive plans on the drawing board... will they come to fruition??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 07:32 PM
 
2,323 posts, read 1,559,639 times
Reputation: 2311
Quote:
Originally Posted by maldano View Post
Cities with best transportation system: 2019
1. NY
2. SF
3. Washington
4. Chicago
5. Boston
6. Seattle
7. Denver
8. San Jose
9. Portland
10.LA
No Philadelphia? I think ATL is good too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago
6,359 posts, read 8,826,410 times
Reputation: 5871
Quote:
Originally Posted by marothisu View Post
LOL @ SF above DC and Chicago. Okay....
What, you’re not totally impressed by the one and only set of BART tracks running through the city from the Embarcadeto to Daly City?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 08:19 PM
 
14,019 posts, read 15,001,786 times
Reputation: 10466
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan2013 View Post
I refuse to believe any list that doesn't include Philadelphia. There aren't too many public transportation systems that are as good and as comprehensive as SEPTA is. As a whole, and among other things, Philadelphia has:

-A good percentage of the population that does not own a vehicle. About 30% of households within city limits do not own a car.
-Three subway lines (the El, Broad Street Line, and Broad-Ridge Spur) that cover portions of the northern, southern, western, and northeastern reaches of the city. Bus and trolley service fills in many of the gaps.
-An agency, only one of two in the US, that runs all five modes of transportation: heavy rail, light rail, commuter rail, bus, and electric trolleybus transportation.
-A fully-electrified, fully-integrated, through-running Regional Rail system, complete with 13 lines that cover the region. SEPTA's Regional Rail system is the only true unified commuter rail system in the US. On weekends, the maximum headway during non-peak hours is typically 90 minutes.
-24 hour service, including 24/7 service on certain routes.
-A 24/7 subway service to Center City from South Jersey, courtesy of PATCO. The only other city that has such a service is NYC, courtesy of PATH.
-Passes that convert to Anywhere Passes on the weekends, allowing one to ride anywhere within the system. For example, a TransPass excludes trips on the Regional Rail during the week. On the weekends, that TransPass can be used on the Regional Rail, valid for trips to any of the four zones.


While Philly DOES need more subway lines, SEPTA is significantly better than most PT systems across the nation. I'd rank SEPTA only behind the MTA (NYC), CTA (Chicago), and WMATA (DC) by a few hairs. The T (Boston) can't compete with SEPTA due to how early it shuts down (how can subway service end before 1AM on a Saturday night?! That's mindblowing!), and other systems simply can't compete with the breadth of SEPTA.
Pretty sure Chicago has 2 or 3 24/7 lines as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
12,159 posts, read 7,985,265 times
Reputation: 10123
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCrest182 View Post
If the top of the list isn't
1) NYC
2) Chicago

I automatically write it off as a joke.
Again extensitivity =/= Quality.

Any poorly operator system at the top, I also write off as a joke.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-28-2019, 09:45 PM
 
4,520 posts, read 5,093,240 times
Reputation: 4839
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCrest182 View Post
If the top of the list isn't
1) NYC
2) Chicago

I automatically write it off as a joke.
I would squeeze DC Metrorail between those 2. Despite Metro's well-publicized failures, accidents, system-wide poor maintenance shutdowns and even fatalities in recent years, it is still a great system in terms of comprehensiveness, extremely high patronage, modernity, fast, clean and comfortable service. There's never a safety issue in or around any Metro station. The system is well lit, well patrolled and gets you where you need to go... quickly!

On these overall merits, I'd put it ahead of CTA, even though Chicago's system is very, very good.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top