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Yeah but there's more to a neighborhood than random companies with offices there, especially with hybrid/WFH.
But that's not a traditional neighborhood; it's the Perimeter CBD which has the most office space in the metropolitan area (not to mention a ton of retail). The gist was that such a "little" area packs quite a powerful punch in other extremely important ways. Job (and retail) density, as well as the related daytime population metric, are arguably relevant factors to consider when sizing up two places.
I have them feeling equal sized if you scope them out in every means possible. Miami's general area is denser as a result of finite developable land and geographic constraints. It is a byproduct of it's environment. The same can be said of Atlanta too. While the Greater Atlanta area doesn't have the same cohesive density level of South Florida, it does have greater physical expanse and acts as a hub for a far larger localized region. The core of Atlanta has also filled in quite nicely and will continue to do so. You're not going to miss any big city features there.
That's what I have been saying.
You can't judge how big a city feels, from a single point or a single neighborhood or even a cluster of neighborhoods.. sometimes people focus on density like that's all there is. Very small cities can be really dense, while some really large cities can have so so density.
For example the city of Miami may be more dense than the city of LA, but that doesn't mean Miami feels like the larger city. LA maintains enough density over so much area that there's no question which is larger.
But that's not a traditional neighborhood; it's the Perimeter CBD which has the most office space in the metropolitan area (not to mention a ton of retail). The gist was that such a "little" area packs quite a powerful punch in other extremely important ways. Job (and retail) density, as well as the related daytime population metric, are arguably relevant factors to consider when sizing up two places.
Sure but wouldnt the streetview image linked for Miami offer these things to? Sandy Springs might have MARTA stations but only two of those can be considered urban. The other is a suburban style PnR station. The main point was that Maimi offers larger and has a higher number of dense walkable neighborhoods. The Perimeter is pretty suburban in build despite the offices and mixed use that has grown in the area. It wasnt designed to be urban/walker friendly and grew initially as a typical suburban office district.
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I have them feeling equal sized if you scope them out in every means possible. Miami's general area is denser as a result of finite developable land and geographic constraints. It is a byproduct of it's environment. The same can be said of Atlanta too. While the Greater Atlanta area doesn't have the same cohesive density level of South Florida, it does have greater physical expanse and acts as a hub for a far larger localized region. The core of Atlanta has also filled in quite nicely and will continue to do so. You're not going to miss any big city features there.
Yep very true. Miami area feels more like a big urban city whereas Atlanta feels like a big city in the middle of a huge expansive area. I think the point some were making though is if you drop yourself into one of these cities like a streetview icon, that the likelihood of you feeling like you're in a large urban city would be greater on average in the Miami area than the Atlanta area. Just dont drop yourself into the ocean lol.
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LA metro should feel larger…it has double the population and 5x the square mileage of Miami metro.
I’ve always likened Miami to a more compact version of LA.
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That's what I have been saying.
You can't judge how big a city feels, from a single point or a single neighborhood or even a cluster of neighborhoods.. sometimes people focus on density like that's all there is. Very small cities can be really dense, while some really large cities can have so so density.
For example the city of Miami may be more dense than the city of LA, but that doesn't mean Miami feels like the larger city. LA maintains enough density over so much area that there's no question which is larger.
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Depends….if you are from a dense urban city—like NYC metro, where I’m originally from—dense urban areas “feel” bigger than suburban areas. Coastal Miami (mainland and the beach) feels like a big city; Doral and Pembroke Pines doesn’t.
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Exactly!!! That's why you can't judge based on density of an area.
Depends….if you are from a dense urban city—like NYC metro, where I’m originally from—dense urban areas “feel” bigger than suburban areas.
They do. But that doesn't mean the city as a whole feels bigger. It just means that one just has areas that feel more intense than the other.
Both Miami and Atlanta feel like they are areas of 5 plus million people.
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I agree—I just get more of a “Northeast” urban flavor from Miami than I do Atlanta (big city, but more of a sunbelt flavor)…to some extent water with a port and bridges might add to that opinion, besides the greater presence (25-30% more) of high rises….outside of this and looking at the total metros, yes, they are more comparable.
My opinion is probably jaded as I live and socialize in more urban areas, which is coastal Miami.
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They do. But that doesn't mean the city as a whole feels bigger. It just means that one just has areas that feel more intense than the other.
Both Miami and Atlanta feel like they are areas of 5 plus million people.
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Depends….if you are from a dense urban city—like NYC metro, where I’m originally from—dense urban areas “feel” bigger than suburban areas. Coastal Miami (mainland and the beach) feels like a big city; Doral and Pembroke Pines doesn’t.
Exactly this: coastal Miami feels like a big city, but the majority of the rest, despite the density, simply does not.
Sure but wouldnt the streetview image linked for Miami offer these things to? Sandy Springs might have MARTA stations but only two of those can be considered urban. The other is a suburban style PnR station. The main point was that Maimi offers larger and has a higher number of dense walkable neighborhoods. The Perimeter is pretty suburban in build despite the offices and mixed use that has grown in the area. It wasnt designed to be urban/walker friendly and grew initially as a typical suburban office district.
Nobody was arguing otherwise with respect to Miami, and nobody is contesting the fact that Fort Lauderdale is...Fort Lauderdale. Atlanta doesn't have a bonafide actual secondary city within its metro. And again, no one was claiming that Perimeter is a traditional residential neighborhood, much less an urban one. However, considering all that it does have and its importance within its region, I'd say a bit of pushback against a simplistic characterization of it as "little" is somewhat justified.
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