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Miami is most certainly a legit major metro—difference being it attracts people who come here to spend money they have earned elsewhere (domestic and from abroad, residents—not just tourists) along with entrepreneurs/small business owners. It’s not geared for the average W-2 wage slave who settles for median income or a corporate career. Based on the number and caliber of urban amenities there’s more than enough of the former to attract and sustain/support the high end amenities associated with the city and its lifestyle. For a $60K year wage slave seeking a lower cost of living, including lower housing costs, and/or corporate career path Atlanta makes more sense.
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Miami is most certainly a legit major metro—difference being it attracts people who come here to spend money they have earned elsewhere (domestic and from abroad, residents—not just tourists) along with entrepreneurs/small business owners. It’s not geared for the average W-2 wage slave who settles for median income or a corporate career. Based on the number and caliber of urban amenities there’s more than enough of the former to attract and sustain/support the high end amenities associated with the city and its lifestyle. For a $60K year wage slave seeking a lower cost of living and/or corporate career path Atlanta makes more sense.
Wage slave is dismissive and offensive. The middle class is still functioning and sustained here, something that is rapidly disappearing in South Florida. The income disparity down there is not something to celebrate
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When it comes to income disparity/inequality Atlanta should not be lecturing Miami. I’ll be happy to provide a link if prompted.
Atlanta might have a higher GDP but Miami has a higher median housing price—meaning demand, whether home grown or imported from out of state or country. There’s only a handful of other (1 or 2) year round warm weather oceanfront big cities in the US; 1 other if talking top tier urban amenities, that command high prices based on limited supply. The good news is those who cannot afford to live here seem to migrate to other lower COL areas of the state or country as reflected in a much lower visibility and presence (not absence completely)of homeless than most other expensive coastal cities.
As I said Atlanta is better in many, not all, cases to build wealth; people come to or live in Miami to spend their money, often—but not exclusively, earned elsewhere. Think of Atlanta as the Tampa Rays (more built from within) whereas Miami would be the Dodgers (more dependent upon free agents).
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Originally Posted by JMatl
Wage slave is dismissive and offensive. The middle class is still functioning and sustained here, something that is rapidly disappearing in South Florida. The income disparity down there is not something to celebrate
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Wage slave is dismissive and offensive. The middle class is still functioning and sustained here, something that is rapidly disappearing in South Florida. The income disparity down there is not something to celebrate
both cities are terrible places to be poor. no where is good to be poor but i think both of these cities are near the bottom of the list for a bunch of reasons: terrible transit, terrible public education, cultural emphasis on spending money and living big, both are late night party to dawn cities especially Miami, both have strong entrenched gang cultures relative to other major cities, both attract highly skilled talent that drives up housing costs while the cities themselves have limited guardrails and social safety nets in place relative to other large cities
For regular working/middle class I would say Atlanta dominates in QOL. Upper middle class it starts to be a tossup and for the wealthy is where Miami dominates
Well someone sure did link a streetview of Fort Lauderdale and the whole point there was that the ATL metro doesn't have a similar area at the same distance from DT/Midtown ATL. Then someone brought up random companies HQ'ed in the Perimeter area but there's more to an urban walkable neighborhood than that. Sure the Perimeter gives off big city suburban office district vibes but that's it and many city have those things. Not many have as many dense walkable full range neighborhood areas as Miami.
Ok, let's back up a bit here. This is where all of this started:
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There are several neighborhoods in the Miami area (like Sweetwater) with more than twice the density of Midtown.
The point of contention wasn't about urban walkability here because if it were, I'm not sure how Sweetwater walks away with this uncontested.
This is where Perimeter entered the conversation:
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I don't care how dense a neighborhood like Sweetwater is when it's all strip malls and packed subdivisions (Just like the majority of the Miami area). This is what a suburb at a similar distance to Atlanta looks like.
Then Charlotte485 posted the Streetview link to Fort Lauderdale.
Basically the takeaway is that there's more than one factor to take into account when determining how big a place feels. Urban form, residential population density, business/commercial activity, mass transit infrastructure, etc. are all legitimate factors to take into account. I don't think it's a given that Sweetwater feels bigger than either Midtown or Perimeter simply based on residential population density, but Fort Lauderdale is a different story.
Ok, let's back up a bit here. This is where all of this started:
The point of contention wasn't about urban walkability here because if it were, I'm not sure how Sweetwater walks away with this uncontested.
This is where Perimeter entered the conversation:
Then Charlotte485 posted the Streetview link to Fort Lauderdale.
Basically the takeaway is that there's more than one factor to take into account when determining how big a place feels. Urban form, residential population density, business/commercial activity, mass transit infrastructure, etc. are all legitimate factors to take into account. I don't think it's a given that Sweetwater feels bigger than either Midtown or Perimeter simply based on residential population density, but Fort Lauderdale is a different story.
Thanks for the recap I guess but grin123's post is irrelevant to the point I was initially arguing for, which came in with that Perimeter post you quoted. At that point it was past whatever comparison someone made about Midtown ATL vs Sweetwater because that link of Perimeter is not something unique and certaintly is not what one would consider an urban walkable neighborhood.
Thanks for the recap I guess but grin123's post is irrelevant to the point I was initially arguing for, which came in with that Perimeter post you quoted. At that point it was past whatever comparison someone made about Midtown ATL vs Sweetwater because that link of Perimeter is not something unique and certaintly is not what one would consider an urban walkable neighborhood.
No one in this thread has refuted your point at all. The issue I have is the sheer amount of ignorance about Atlant's urban form and the use of density as an argument against it. Fort Lauderdale has walkable areas and it also has the same suburban development every other city in the country has. Density just increases the chance of a place being more walkable but often times it doesn't correlate at all. Atlanta's suburbs are getting a lot better and are all planning mixed use developments around their historic downtowns.
No one in this thread has refuted your point at all. The issue I have is the sheer amount of ignorance about Atlant's urban form and the use of density as an argument against it. Fort Lauderdale has walkable areas and it also has the same suburban development every other city in the country has. Density just increases the chance of a place being more walkable but often times it doesn't correlate at all. Atlanta's suburbs are getting a lot better and are all planning mixed use developments around their historic downtowns.
"Population Density" in these boards is overrated.
I live in the most densely populated county in Florida.
The busiest intersection near me looks like this:
No one in this thread has refuted your point at all. The issue I have is the sheer amount of ignorance about Atlant's urban form and the use of density as an argument against it. Fort Lauderdale has walkable areas and it also has the same suburban development every other city in the country has. Density just increases the chance of a place being more walkable but often times it doesn't correlate at all. Atlanta's suburbs are getting a lot better and are all planning mixed use developments around their historic downtowns.
Atlanta's suburbs have many of these town center walkabe nodes scattered throughout the metro area (more are being built). If you don't want to go to downtown, midtown, buckhead, avalon, the battery, etc. A lot of these areas offers parks, theaters, restaurants, cafes, libraries, etc.
No one in this thread has refuted your point at all. The issue I have is the sheer amount of ignorance about Atlant's urban form and the use of density as an argument against it. Fort Lauderdale has walkable areas and it also has the same suburban development every other city in the country has. Density just increases the chance of a place being more walkable but often times it doesn't correlate at all. Atlanta's suburbs are getting a lot better and are all planning mixed use developments around their historic downtowns.
You did when you specifically said nothing like the Perimeter exists at a similar distance from DT Miami, and that is not true unless you want to be super technical and say Miami doesnt have an edge city.
Atlanta's suburbs have many of these town center walkabe nodes scattered throughout the metro area (more are being built). If you don't want to go to downtown, midtown, buckhead, avalon, the battery, etc. A lot of these areas offers parks, theaters, restaurants, cafes, libraries, etc.
These are nice, cute little downtowns but again they exist in most metro areas, including Miami, which has several including ones much larger/denser/cohesive (Hollywood, FL for example) along the coast.
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