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3 to 4 months of warm to hot weather is too short to enjoy the lakes?
Yes, that's very short to those of us in the south. 7-8 months with some year-round potential is more my speed. Phoenix is also at the base of the mogollon rim, so there is plenty of variety to be had within a short drive.
Yes, that's very short to those of us in the south. 7-8 months with some year-round potential is more my speed. Phoenix is also at the base of the mogollon rim, so there is plenty of variety to be had within a short drive.
Depends on what part of the south you're talking about.
Any place I've lived from deep south to upper midwest, swim season is primarily from Memorial Day to Labor Day.
Warmer places might add a week or so on either side of that. Colder places are more hit and miss in the early part of the season.
These two cities are fairly close in a lot of ways. It just comes down to whether or not you like hot or cold, or at least which one you can tolerate the most. Purely subjective on that front.
For me, the extremes of Minneapolis last for a shorter amount of time and aren't any more likely to keep me cooped up inside.
In the plus category for Phoenix would be that the city seems to be a little more politically balanced at the moment and it's in a region full of transplants from everywhere, which would make it a bit easier to blend in.
I genuinely kind of like the area on some level, but that heat...
I know southwestern people like to downplay the water situation, but it does freak me out a little and I don't know that I would want to add to the problem.
Depends on what part of the south you're talking about.
Any place I've lived from deep south to upper midwest, swim season is primarily from Memorial Day to Labor Day.
Warmer places might add a week or so on either side of that. Colder places are more hit and miss in the early part of the season.
These two cities are fairly close in a lot of ways. It just comes down to whether or not you like hot or cold, or at least which one you can tolerate the most. Purely subjective on that front.
For me, the extremes of Minneapolis last for a shorter amount of time and aren't any more likely to keep me cooped up inside.
In the plus category for Phoenix would be that the city seems to be a little more politically balanced at the moment and it's in a region full of transplants from everywhere, which would make it a bit easier to blend in.
I genuinely kind of like the area on some level, but that heat...
I know southwestern people like to downplay the water situation, but it does freak me out a little and I don't know that I would want to add to the problem.
My only southeast experiences are Houston and Florida, I can tell you swim season in both of those areas we're still very much in play after labor day. Relevant to this thread, swim season is well before memorial day and after labor day in Phoenix, the Six Flags Hurricane Harbor here closes in mid-October.
The problem with the water situation is that it's full of false narratives that are thrown around constantly. People love click-bait, with attention grabbing headlines and stories which have angles instead of being purely fact based. "Lake Mead is at ___ % of capacity" etc.. Those of us who us who do some real research on the topic understand the following.
1. Most water use in the southwest goes to agriculture, not households, less water in the region impacts a large amount of food supply for the entire country, especially winter vegetables, which are grown between Arizona and California.
2. Innovation and education has enabled Phoenix municipal water use to remain at the same level it was in the 1970s despite a large population gain since that time.
3. Plans are in place to deal with this and they're being enacted now, deliveries to the largest water users in the region, namely agriculture, will begin to go down next year.
This isn't downplaying anything, it's facts. The faucet in your house is not going to run out of water in the lifetime of anyone who is alive now. But should we all be concerned about global climate change and take any action possible to mitigate it? I'd say so.
Plenty warm is subjective. Today's water temperature in Minnesota is 73.4. According to the World Health Organization, 78-86 degrees is generally comfortable and safe, but I understand water should be at least 70 degrees - that's still quite chilly for me. The official water temperature required for Olympic swimming competitions is between 77-82 degrees.
Is water temperature really all that important? It's Summer so people get in it to escape the heat. Clearly a lot of people enjoy the lakes in the Twin Cities this time of year.
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