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View Poll Results: Houston vs Dallas for Black Professionals
Houston 54 69.23%
Dallas 24 30.77%
Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 05-23-2022, 09:45 AM
 
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I don't need to be from Jamaica to understand that Jamaicans are a completely different ethnic group with a completely different culture than black americans anymore than I need to be from the philippines to know that filipino culture and people are completely different from black american's.





On Caribbeans immigrants vs native Black Americans


Very predictable for you to quote decades old studies conducted by white people, because I can 100% tell you have no actual lived experience with black people of different origins. I encourage you to go outside and touch grass one of these days.
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Old 05-23-2022, 09:45 AM
 
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Yeah, none of those are adjacent to downtowns zip(20036) which is %3 black.

Adjacent zips.


20009 - %17 black


20005 - %18 black


20006 - %10 black


20037 - %6 black


20008 - %10 black




Adjacent zips to Houstons downtown zip(77002 - %34 black)


77009 - %6 black


77020 - %23 black


77003 - %22 black


77004 - %46 black


77006 - %7 black


77019 - %7 black


77007 - %5 black





And also to your point about the "urban core" keep in mind that Houston is much larger, sprawling, and decentralized than DC and actually has multiple "urban cores" if we're not just strictly speaking about downtown. There's midtown, greenway, uptown/galleria, westchase, energy corridor, greenspoint/bush and the medical center all with their own skyline.


Plenty more black majority and plurality zips are in or border those districts.



The zip 77054 you're speaking of is exactly where the astrodome and nrg park are and is adjacent to the medical center zip. Nothing "suburban" about it.



Hell if you wanna be real the entire innerloop can be considered an urban core.

Honestly, I don't want to derail the thread talking about what constitutes the urban core when talking about DC and Houston because the cities are so different from an urbanity, built environment, and density standpoint they can't be compared.

Just an FYI, it was someone from Houston who said Black professionals live in the suburbs, not me. I was looking for Black professionals with high incomes, educational attainment, and concentrations in the 60% Black or more range. Did you see this below:

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I looked for zip codes in Houston with a Black population of at least 60%. These zip codes touch each other making a sizable area of Black people inside the loop. Some major takeaways, Houston seems to be attracting tons of educated females in these areas, but not many educated males.

Foster Place = Zip Code 77021

Population
Total Population: 25,769 people
Black Population: 17,268 people
Black Percentage = 67%
Median Income: $38,638
Total Land = 6.1 square miles

Educational Attainment
Total Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 24.6%
Total Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 3,032 people

Total Male Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 17.2%
Male Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 919 people

Total Female Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 30.3%
Female Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 2,113 people


Mayfair = Zip Code 77033

Population
Total Population: 29,267 people
Black Population: 18,189 people
Black Percentage = 62.2%
Median Income: $38,638
Total Land = 6 square miles

Educational Attainment
Total Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 12.3%
Total Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 1,512 people

Total Male Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 12.1%
Male Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 676 people

Total Female Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 12.4%
Female Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 836 people


Myrtle = Zip Code 77051

Population
Total Population: 17,547 people
Black Population: 13,011 people
Black Percentage = 74.2%
Median Income: $31,942
Total Land = 7.3 square miles

Educational Attainment
Total Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 10.4%
Total Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 869 people

Total Male Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 7.7%
Male Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 276 people

Total Female Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 12.4%
Female Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 593 people


Just an FYI, I didn't use any zip codes from Midtown Houston because there are barely any Black people there.

Midtown Houston = Zip Code 77024

Population
Total Population: 22,155 people
Black Population: 1,669 people
Black Percentage = 8%
Median Income: $106,974
Total Land = 3.5 square miles

Educational Attainment
Total Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 57.6%
Total Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 400 people

Total Male Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 34.7%
Male Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 67 people

Total Female Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 66.3%
Female Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 333 people



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Old 05-23-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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i can 100% tell you have no actual lived experience with black people of different origins. .
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Old 05-23-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Let's get back on topic:

This study ranks Houston just over Dallas

Complete data is here.
Houston:
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4. Houston, TX
Staying in Texas, we arrive in Houston, our 4th best city for Black professionals. With a final score of 63.78, Houston boasts a strong business environment score (#3 in the nation), community and representation score (#4), and economic opportunity score (#7). But higher housing costs hurt Houston’s housing opportunity score, which ranks #20. 42% of black households in Houston spend more than 30% of this income on housing expenses.

Although Houston ranks lower overall, it does have a larger Black population than nearby San Antonio. 18% of Houstinites are Black, and the community is well-represented in some critical occupations: 21% of teachers are Black, as are 20% of doctors. Houston is also home to the HBCU Texas Southern University, helping a job market when the median Black income is several thousand dollars above average.

Similarly, 17% of local businesses are Black-owned, more than any other part of Texas. From the Mitochondria Gallery to Ten Skyncare and Wisdom’s Vegan Bakery, Houston has it all!
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5. Dallas, TX
Rounding out our Top 5 is Dallas. Within Texas, Dallas trails Houston and San Antonio in many of the community and economic factors that we measure, but still ranks extremely well compared to other parts of the country. Dallas is home to Texas’s fastest-growing Black community: in 2010, 14% of the population was Black, today that share has risen to over 17%.

Like Houston, Dallas’s Black community is fairly well-represented. 14.5% of businesses are Black-owned. Start your day off at Brunchaholics, then get your hair done at Pressed Roots, and end the day with a workout at BURN. Black incomes in Dallas are comparable to other southern cities like Austin, Atlanta, and Raleigh.

Housing burden and inequity factors that holds back Dallas’s overall score, compared to the other cities on this list. The Black homeownership rate is only 36%, over 27% points lower than non-Black households. And because of high housing costs, nearly 44% of Black households are cost-burdened, comparable to Austin.
NYC and Boston are ranked at 35 and 36 which seems pretty low but interpret these rankings as you want
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:03 AM
 
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Very predictable for you to quote decades old studies conducted by white people, because I can 100% tell you have no actual lived experience with black people of different origins. I encourage you to go outside and touch grass one of these days.
100% agreed. This guy is coming in here with these dubious studies as if they mean anything whatsoever. Saying things like habesha people in DC will fight you if you refer to them as black. My habesha girlfriend (born in the DMV) refers to herself as black. Not all of her family does, but many of them do especially the ones that have lived outside of East Africa for a long time.

In any group you're going to have some people that sow division but the idea that black immigrants as a whole go out of their way not to associate with black Americans is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, especially in the context of cities like Houston and DC. That is not to say that black immigrants don't have pride in their distinct cultures and identify as who they are - they absolutely do. But in places like Houston and DC there's a lot more intermixing of black Americans and black immigrants that makes a lot of those lines quite fuzzy.
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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Let's get back on topic:

This study ranks Houston just over Dallas

Complete data is here.
Houston:


Dallas


NYC and Boston are ranked at 35 and 36 which seems pretty low but interpret these rankings as you want
I'm sorry, but I can't take any study that seriously that refers to Houstonians as Houstonites and has San Antonio ranked as the best city for black professionals in Texas.
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:07 AM
 
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Zip code 77002 right smack in the core of the city - %34 black



https://censusreporter.org/profiles/86000US77002-77002/

I think some context has been lost in the last few pages. The title of this thread is not where do Black people live, it is "Houston vs Dallas for Black Professionals (2022)" so we aren't looking for Black people, we are looking for professional Black people. A Black person in this comparison needs to be educated at the very least. The 77002 zip code does not have many Black professionals at all.


Zip Code 77002

Population
Total Population: 17,026 people
Black Population: 5,843 people
Black Percentage = 34.3%
Median Income: $80,220
Total Land = 2 square miles

Black Educational Attainment
Total Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 12.4%
Total Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 602 people

Total Male Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 8.7%
Male Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 374 people

Total Female Percentage Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 39%
Female Raw Number Bachelor's degree or higher (Black People) = 228 people

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Old 05-23-2022, 10:12 AM
 
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100% agreed. This guy is coming in here with these dubious studies as if they mean anything whatsoever. Saying things like habesha people in DC will fight you if you refer to them as black. My habesha girlfriend (born in the DMV) refers to herself as black. Not all of her family does, but many of them do especially the ones that have lived outside of East Africa for a long time.

In any group you're going to have some people that sow division but the idea that black immigrants as a whole go out of their way not to associate with black Americans is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, especially in the context of cities like Houston and DC. That is not to say that black immigrants don't have pride in their distinct cultures and identify as who they are - they absolutely do. But in places like Houston and DC there's a lot more intermixing of black Americans and black immigrants that makes a lot of those lines quite fuzzy.
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I'm sorry, but I can't take any study that seriously that refers to Houstonians as Houstonites and has San Antonio ranked as the best city for black professionals in Texas.
I thought the data was interesting at least lol. One of the few studies that links their data lol. I have seen San Antonio ranked quite high in a lot of things. I'm guessing the high military population and high employment rates is why is ranked so high. It's similar to how data doesn't capture the whole story. Places like San Jose and San Antonio have high black income levels and low poverty rates but no one would really consider them great cities for black folk.
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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I posted demographic data. You posted your opinion.


" Southwest Houston's Little Lagos neighborhood, which runs east-west along Bissonnet Street, features the usual mix of Nigerian groceries and restaurants, and also Nigerian-owned insurance agencies, Realtors, attorneys and accountants."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121331692461769909


^^^^That area ain't majority or plurarity black. It's zip is vast majority hispanic with asians being the second largest pop.








My culture is black american. My ethnicity is black american. I'm very much in tune with that, I'm almost certain much more than you are. Just check my post on black houston history and heritage including my own.


If you're NOT intune enough to recognize that black americans and black immigrants are completely different, by and large not similar at all, then YOU'RE the one who's out of touch, not me.


My personal experience vs Your personal experience.

Difference is the demographic data and actual sociological research agrees with me.









If you want to remain in denial, because of your personal circle of friends be my guest, but I can literally drop receipts all day.




FYI any group of ppl can have individuals who BA individuals are friendly with that doesn't speak to anything of the sociological trends on a GROUP level.

This thread isn't even about Black people though. It is about a very specific subset of Black people. Black professionals who at the very least should have a bachelor's degree. For some context:

Here are some zip codes from NYC, Chicago, DC, and Atlanta showing Black professionals living inside city limits. Where are similar zip codes in Houston? That is what I was asking:


Bedstuy in NYC


Zip Code 11233 = 1.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 69.3% (55,270 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 10.5% (8,383 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 2.2% (1,733 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 15.6% (12,480 people)
Total Population = 79,796

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 21.3% (8,369 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 74.1% (4,723 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (266 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 21.9% (799 people)


Zip Code 11216 = 0.9 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 48.2% (28,729 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 28.9% (17,216 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.8% (2,849 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 12.3% (7,315 people)
Total Population = 59,567

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 29.3% (6,878 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 83.7% (11,735 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 71.6% (1,533 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 51.7% (2,666 people)


Zip Code 11221 = 1.4 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 40.5% (34,699 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 18.6% (15,883 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.1% (3,502 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 33.8% (28,937 people)
Total Population = 85,582

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 26.5% (7,032 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 69.7% (8,642 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 47.1% (1,257 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 18.4% (3,240 people)


Zip Code 11213 = 1.1 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 61.5% (41,436 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 22% (14,794 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.9% (1,294 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 18.4% (3,240 people)
Total Population = 67,382

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 27.3% (8,337 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 57% (4,904 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 45.6% (516 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 22.6% (1,186 people)



Ward 7 and Ward 8 in DC


Zip Code 20019 = 6.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 91.3% (60,020 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.7% (1,118 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.1% (69 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.2% (2,795 people)
Total Population = 65,769

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 16.7% (6,524 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 82% (768 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 61.6% (45 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 25.2% (404 people)


Zip Code 20020 = 4.6 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 89.4% (50,963 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 3.1% (1,762 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.6% (365 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 3.7% (2,125 people)
Total Population = 57,031

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 20.3% (6,603 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 63.6% (985 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 77.1% (205 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 28.4% (313 people)


Zip Code 20032 = 5.2 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.7% (34,732 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.8% (3,686 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.5% (230 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.2% (1,766 people)
Total Population = 42,009

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 14.5% (3,227 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 59.2% (1,445 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 54.9% (106 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 32.4% (228 people)



Southwest Atlanta


Zip Code 30310 = 8.8 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.7% (23,661 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 9.6% (2,733 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.6% (469 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 2.3% (656 people)
Total Population = 28,597

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 18.7% (2,976 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 67.7% (1,660 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 20.7% (67 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 61.4% (313 people)


Zip Code 30315 = 11.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 79.6% (28,894 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 11.5% (4,188 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.3% (122 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 6.8% (2,459 people)
Total Population = 36,296

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 16.1% (2,992 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (1,973 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 46.8% (52 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 10.2% (158 people)


Zip Code 30314 = 4.6 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.5% (21,247 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.4% (2,173 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 3.0% (771 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.4% (1,138 people)
Total Population = 25,752

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 24.6% (3,024 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 46.6% (374 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (58 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 17.6% (80 people)



Chicago (Hyde Park, Bronzeville, West Woodlawn)


Zip Code 60653 = 2.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 85.5% (28,717 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 6.2% (2,097 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.4% (468 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.1% (1,382 people)
Total Population = 33,574

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 32.3% (6,279 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 69.7% (1,079 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 68% (246 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 44.7% (357 people)


Zip Code 60615 = 2.2 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 52.8% (21,733 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 28.5% (11,747 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.2% (3,373 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 5.5% (2,258 people)
Total Population = 41,198

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 45.8% (7,606 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 90.7% (7,433 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 86.9% (1,770 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 52.6% (608 people)


Zip Code 60637 = 4.5 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 74.7% (34,827 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 13.8% (6,451 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.9% (2,279 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 3.0% (1,409 people)
Total Population = 46,621

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 22.6% (5,115 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 88% (3,078 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 91.8% (1,036 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.3% (396 people)
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Old 05-23-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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I posted demographic data. You posted your opinion.


" Southwest Houston's Little Lagos neighborhood, which runs east-west along Bissonnet Street, features the usual mix of Nigerian groceries and restaurants, and also Nigerian-owned insurance agencies, Realtors, attorneys and accountants."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121331692461769909


^^^^That area ain't majority or plurarity black. It's zip is vast majority hispanic with asians being the second largest pop.








My culture is black american. My ethnicity is black american. I'm very much in tune with that, I'm almost certain much more than you are. Just check my post on black houston history and heritage including my own.


If you're NOT intune enough to recognize that black americans and black immigrants are completely different, by and large not similar at all, then YOU'RE the one who's out of touch, not me.


My personal experience vs Your personal experience.

Difference is the demographic data and actual sociological research agrees with me.









If you want to remain in denial, because of your personal circle of friends be my guest, but I can literally drop receipts all day.




FYI any group of ppl can have individuals who BA individuals are friendly with that doesn't speak to anything of the sociological trends on a GROUP level.
First of all you are wrong for multiple reasons.

1. Nigerians may own businesses there, but they largely do not live in Westwood. Westwood doesn't have a higher Nigerian residential population than virtually anywhere else in Southwest Houston. The Chinese and Indian population do not live where they own businesses, and to a lesser extent neither do the Vietnamese population.

2. Westwood is not 77036, which includes Sharpstown- Las Plaza Americas, Mahatma Ghandi District and Chinatown hence the high-ish Asian population. Sharpstown area is majority Hispanic yes, and it makes up the core of the zip, but Westwood itself does not share exact demographics.

Census Tracts are available

https://mtgis-portal.geo.census.gov/...ed2b2fd7ff6eb7

These are the census tracts that make up Westwood by percentage black-
4336.02- 45.7% Black
4335.07- 30.2% Black
4335.03- 26.5% Black
4335.06- 22.6% Black
4336.01- 21.5% Black
4335.04- 15.2% Black
4335.05- 10.1% Black

This works out to 25% Black almost on the dot, for Westwood.
With 4336.02 being more Black than Hispanic.

Again, my point is proven that while Westwood is majority Hispanic, it very much has a high African American population.
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