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They should do another one of these but with college faculty/student excluded.
My guess is some cities like Minneapolis/DC/Denver rely less on schools than places like Boston/Austin.
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The criteria bars most college students with the caveat of 25 and older. However large universities come with large support staff. In a larger metro, an FSU or a Wisconsin would have less effect. In a smaller metro they have an outsized role. Large fish, small pond principle.
Though that does make one wonder about something like Gainesville and it’s relation to Tallahassee. Without digging into the numbers, I’m assuming the government workers keeping the capital machinery working are helping skew the numbers. If it can maintain its high score while it grows larger will be the next hurdle.
I'm not sure if I understand why one would exclude college faculty?.. People working at a university are citizens of place as much as people that work anywhere else. Cities built around white-collar industries like education, government, and technology tend to be more educated than cities with blue collar and/or tourism-based economies.
It's not "skewing the numbers", it just is what it is.
I'm not sure if I understand why one would exclude college faculty?.. People working at a university are citizens of place as much as people that work anywhere else. Cities built around white-collar industries like education, government, and technology tend to be more educated than cities with blue collar and/or tourism-based economies.
It's not "skewing the numbers", it just is what it is.
I'm more interested in the white collar industries other than education. Leaving them in the count probably wouldn't 'skew' the results much anyway.
Don't you also have this data or something comparable by county? That too could provide great context here.
Okay, here are 2 stats on the 100 Largest Counties by Population.
100 Largest Counties by % of
Adults With a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2019:
Fairfax, VA 62.4%
New York, NY 62.0%
San Francisco, CA 59.2%
Montgomery, MD 57.8%
Fulton, GA 57.5%
Middlesex, MA 57.2%
Norfolk, MA 55.1%
King, WA 54.1%
Wake, NC 54.1%
Santa Clara, CA 53.7%
Denver, CO 53.1%
Collin, TX 52.6%
Travis, TX 52.6%
San Mateo, CA 52.3%
Bergen, NJ 52.0%
Westchester, NY 51.3%
Hennepin, MN 50.8%
DuPage, IL 50.7%
Alameda, CA 50.6%
Montgomery, PA 50.1%
Fairfield, CT 49.1%
Oakland, MI 48.9%
Suffolk, MA 48.2%
Cobb, GA 48.0%
Nassau, NY 47.2%
Fort Bend, TX 46.2%
Denton, TX 46.1%
Davidson, TN 45.7%
Mecklenberg, NC 45.7%
St Louis, MO 45.6%
Lake, IL 45.0%
DeKalb, GA 44.9%
Middlesex, NJ 43.8%
Contra Costa, CA 43.0%
Allegheny, PA 42.9%
Frankling, OH 41.8%
Essex, MA 41.4%
Utah, UT 41.1%
Orange, CA 41.0%
Baltimore, MD 40.8%
Monroe, NY 40.7%
Cook, IL 40.5%
Hamilton, OH 40.3%
San Diego, CA 39.9%
Gwinnett, GA 39.2%
Kings, NY 39.2%
El Paso, CO 39.0%
Hartford, CT 39.0%
Suffolk. NY 38.3%
Palm Beach, FL 37.7%
Salt Lake, UT 37.3%
Worcester, MA 37.0%
Honolulu, HI 35.8%
Essex, NJ 35.7%
Orange, FL 35.2%
Will, IL 35.2%
Bernalillo, NM 35.1%
Jefferson, KY 35.1%
New Haven, CT 35.1%
Hillsborough, FL 34.8%
Tarrant, TX 34.1%
Erie, NY 33.9%
Los Angeles, CA 33.8%
Cuyahoga, OH 33.6%
Prince George's, MD 33.6%
Maricopa, AZ 33.5%
Queens, NY 33.2%
Broward, FL 33.0%
Pinellas, FL 33.0%
Snohomish, WA 33.0%
Pima, AZ 32.6%
Jackson, MO 32.5%
Dallas, TX 32.4%
Harris. TX 32.2%
Milwaukee, WI 31.7%
Shelby, TN 31.7%
Sacramento, CA 31.2%
Marion, IN 31.0%
Philadelphia, PA 31.0%
Duval, FL 30.6%
Miami-Dade, FL 30.6%
Lee, FL 29.0%
Pierce, WA 28.2%
Bexar, TX 28.1%
Clark, NV 25.6%
Macomb, MI 25.3%
Wayne, MI 25.0%
Riverside, CA 23.5%
El Paso, TX 23.3%
San Bernardino, CA 22.5%
Fresno, CA 22.0%
Polk, FL 20.8%
Bronx, NY 20.4%
San Joaquin, CA 20.0%
Kern, CA 17.1%
100 Largest Counties by
Median Family Income, 2020:
Fairfax, VA $149,576
San Mateo, CA $148,138
Santa Clara, CA $148,065
Nassau, NY $139,459
San Francisco, CA $138,307
Montgomery, MD $133,556
Norfolk, MA $132,514
Middlesex, MA $132,362
Westchester, NY $126,992
Bergen, NJ $126,103
Alameda, CA $125,834
King, WA $123,939
Suffolk, NY $123,117
Fairfield, CT $120,156
Contra Costa, CA $119,567
Collin, TX $118,341
Montgomery, PA $116,171
DuPage, IL $115,954
New York, NY $114,659
Lake, IL $112,326
Denton, TX $111,436
Middlesex, NJ $109,871
Fort Bend, TX $109,870
Orange, CA $106,451
Oakland, MI $106,060
Will, IL $105,658
Snohomish, WA $104,452
Wake, NC $104,072
Honolulu, HI $103,845
Travis, TX $103,154
Essex, MA $102,807
Prince George's, MD $101,564
Fulton, GA $99,490
Worcester, MA $99,320
Cobb, GA $99,099
Hartford, CT $97,406
Baltimore, MD $97,334
San Diego, CA $95,623
New Haven, CT $92,508
Denver, CO $92,236
Salt Lake, UT $90,815
St Louis, MO $90,540
Pierce, WA $88,892
Allegheny, PA $87,363
Suffolk, MA $86,980
Mecklenberg, NC $85,793
Cook, IL $84,500
Monroe, FL $84,215
El Paso, TX 84,078
Utah, UT $83,938
Essex, NJ $83,801
Gwinnett, GA $82,919
Monroe, NY $82,439
Tarrant, TX $82,856
DeKalb, GA $82,234
Sacramento, CA $82,041
Riverside, CA $81,271
Hamilton, OH $80,443
Erie, NY $80,437
Macomb, MI $80,371
Los Angeles, CA $80,317
Maricopa, AZ $80,161
Palm Beach, FL $79,785
Davidson, TN $77,046
San Joaquin, CA $76,536
Jefferson, KY $75,483
Pinellas, FL $75,478
Jackson, MO $75,470
Hillsborough, FL $73,907
Broward, FL $73,430
San Bernardino, CA 72,465
Kings, NY $71,985
Clark, NV $71,896
Lee, FL $71,043
Cuyahoga, OH $70,472
Bexar, TX $70,280
Orange, FL $70,209
Dallas, TX $69,689
Pima, AZ $69,466
Duval, FL $69,059
Bernalillo, NM $69,003
Milwaukee, WI $67,536
Shelby, TN $67,286
Marion, IN $65,229
Fresno, CA $64,036
Wayne, MI $64,896
Kern, CA $61,044
Polk, FL $59,623
Philadelphia, PA $58,090
El Paso, TX $54,013
Bronx, NY $49,624
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Okay, here are 2 stats on the 100 Largest Counties by Population.
100 Largest Counties by % of
Adults With a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2019:
Fairfax, VA 62.4%
New York, NY 62.0%
San Francisco, CA 59.2%
Montgomery, MD 57.8%
Fulton, GA 57.5%
Middlesex, MA 57.2%
Norfolk, MA 55.1%
King, WA 54.1%
Wake, NC 54.1%
Santa Clara, CA 53.7%
Denver, CO 53.1%
Collin, TX 52.6%
Travis, TX 52.6%
San Mateo, CA 52.3%
Bergen, NJ 52.0%
Westchester, NY 51.3%
Hennepin, MN 50.8%
DuPage, IL 50.7%
Alameda, CA 50.6%
Montgomery, PA 50.1%
Fairfield, CT 49.1%
Oakland, MI 48.9%
Suffolk, MA 48.2%
Cobb, GA 48.0%
Nassau, NY 47.2%
Fort Bend, TX 46.2%
Denton, TX 46.1%
Davidson, TN 45.7%
Mecklenberg, NC 45.7%
St Louis, MO 45.6%
Lake, IL 45.0%
DeKalb, GA 44.9%
Middlesex, NJ 43.8%
Contra Costa, CA 43.0%
Allegheny, PA 42.9%
Frankling, OH 41.8%
Essex, MA 41.4%
Utah, UT 41.1%
Orange, CA 41.0%
Baltimore, MD 40.8%
Monroe, NY 40.7%
Cook, IL 40.5%
Hamilton, OH 40.3%
San Diego, CA 39.9%
Gwinnett, GA 39.2%
Kings, NY 39.2%
El Paso, CO 39.0%
Hartford, CT 39.0%
Suffolk. NY 38.3%
Palm Beach, FL 37.7%
Salt Lake, UT 37.3%
Worcester, MA 37.0%
Honolulu, HI 35.8%
Essex, NJ 35.7%
Orange, FL 35.2%
Will, IL 35.2%
Bernalillo, NM 35.1%
Jefferson, KY 35.1%
New Haven, CT 35.1%
Hillsborough, FL 34.8%
Tarrant, TX 34.1%
Erie, NY 33.9%
Los Angeles, CA 33.8%
Cuyahoga, OH 33.6%
Prince George's, MD 33.6%
Maricopa, AZ 33.5%
Queens, NY 33.2%
Broward, FL 33.0%
Pinellas, FL 33.0%
Snohomish, WA 33.0%
Pima, AZ 32.6%
Jackson, MO 32.5%
Dallas, TX 32.4%
Harris. TX 32.2%
Milwaukee, WI 31.7%
Shelby, TN 31.7%
Sacramento, CA 31.2%
Marion, IN 31.0%
Philadelphia, PA 31.0%
Duval, FL 30.6%
Miami-Dade, FL 30.6%
Lee, FL 29.0%
Pierce, WA 28.2%
Bexar, TX 28.1%
Clark, NV 25.6%
Macomb, MI 25.3%
Wayne, MI 25.0%
Riverside, CA 23.5%
El Paso, TX 23.3%
San Bernardino, CA 22.5%
Fresno, CA 22.0%
Polk, FL 20.8%
Bronx, NY 20.4%
San Joaquin, CA 20.0%
Kern, CA 17.1%
100 Largest Counties by
Median Family Income, 2020:
Fairfax, VA $149,576
San Mateo, CA $148,138
Santa Clara, CA $148,065
Nassau, NY $139,459
San Francisco, CA $138,307
Montgomery, MD $133,556
Norfolk, MA $132,514
Middlesex, MA $132,362
Westchester, NY $126,992
Bergen, NJ $126,103
Alameda, CA $125,834
King, WA $123,939
Suffolk, NY $123,117
Fairfield, CT $120,156
Contra Costa, CA $119,567
Collin, TX $118,341
Montgomery, PA $116,171
DuPage, IL $115,954
New York, NY $114,659
Lake, IL $112,326
Denton, TX $111,436
Middlesex, NJ $109,871
Fort Bend, TX $109,870
Orange, CA $106,451
Oakland, MI $106,060
Will, IL $105,658
Snohomish, WA $104,452
Wake, NC $104,072
Honolulu, HI $103,845
Travis, TX $103,154
Essex, MA $102,807
Prince George's, MD $101,564
Fulton, GA $99,490
Worcester, MA $99,320
Cobb, GA $99,099
Hartford, CT $97,406
Baltimore, MD $97,334
San Diego, CA $95,623
New Haven, CT $92,508
Denver, CO $92,236
Salt Lake, UT $90,815
St Louis, MO $90,540
Pierce, WA $88,892
Allegheny, PA $87,363
Suffolk, MA $86,980
Mecklenberg, NC $85,793
Cook, IL $84,500
Monroe, FL $84,215
El Paso, TX 84,078
Utah, UT $83,938
Essex, NJ $83,801
Gwinnett, GA $82,919
Monroe, NY $82,439
Tarrant, TX $82,856
DeKalb, GA $82,234
Sacramento, CA $82,041
Riverside, CA $81,271
Hamilton, OH $80,443
Erie, NY $80,437
Macomb, MI $80,371
Los Angeles, CA $80,317
Maricopa, AZ $80,161
Palm Beach, FL $79,785
Davidson, TN $77,046
San Joaquin, CA $76,536
Jefferson, KY $75,483
Pinellas, FL $75,478
Jackson, MO $75,470
Hillsborough, FL $73,907
Broward, FL $73,430
San Bernardino, CA 72,465
Kings, NY $71,985
Clark, NV $71,896
Lee, FL $71,043
Cuyahoga, OH $70,472
Bexar, TX $70,280
Orange, FL $70,209
Dallas, TX $69,689
Pima, AZ $69,466
Duval, FL $69,059
Bernalillo, NM $69,003
Milwaukee, WI $67,536
Shelby, TN $67,286
Marion, IN $65,229
Fresno, CA $64,036
Wayne, MI $64,896
Kern, CA $61,044
Polk, FL $59,623
Philadelphia, PA $58,090
El Paso, TX $54,013
Bronx, NY $49,624
Thank you as always, looks about what would be expected.
Cities with 65,000+ Population
By % of Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher:
50%+
Palo Alto, CA 84.6%
Newton, MA 81.1%
Cambridge, MA 79.7%
Boulder, CO 78.8%
Sammamish, WA 77.5%
Berkeley, CA 76.5%
Ann Arbor, MI 76.1%
Carmel,. IN 75.4%
Alpharetta, GA 75.0%
Arlington, VA 74.9%
Evanston, IL 73.7%
Redmond, WA 73.3%
Mountain View, CA 71.9%
San Ramon, CA 71.7%
Bellevue, WA 71.2%
Ellicott City, MD 71.1%
Sandy Springs, GA 70.5%
Johns Creek, GA 69.6%
Irvine, CA 69.5%
Naperville, IL 69.1%
Cary, NC 68.4%
Auburn, AL 66.7%
Davis, CA 66.4%
Pleasanton, CA 66.4%
Mount Pleasant, SC 66.1%
Alexandria, VA 65.9%
Sunnyvale, CA 65.4%
Walnut Creek, CA 65.3%
Highlands Ranch, CO 65.1%
Seattle, WA 65.0%
Franklin, TN 64.6%
Redondo Beach, CA 64.3%
Santa Monica, CA 64.3%
Troy, MI 64.3%
Fishers, IN 64.2%
Newport Beach, CA 63.9%
Somerville, MA 63.6%
Columbia, MD 63.3%
Frisco, 63.3%
Kirkland, WA 62.7%
Weston, FL 62.7%
Rockville, MD 62.5%
Woodbury. MN 62.4%
College Station, TX 62.3%
Iowa City, IA 62.1%
Farmington Hills, MI 62.0%
Plymouth, MN 62.0%
Santa Clara, CA 61.7%
Overland Park, KS 61.4%
Roswell, GA 61.3%
Carlsbad, CA 61.1%
Flower Mound, TX 61.1%
Ames, IA 60.9%
Scottsdale, AZ 60.6%
The Woodlands, TX 60.1%
Centreville, VA 60.0%
Washington, DC 59.7%
San Francisco, CA 59.2%
Sugar Land, TX 58.3%
Gaithersburg, MD 58.0%
Fremont, CA 58.4%
Madison, WI 58.1%
Noblesville, IN 57.7%
Arlington Heights, IL 57.6%
Fort Collins, CO 57.5%
Portland, ME 57.4%
Plano, TX 57.3%
Alameda, CA 57.2%
San Mateo, CA 57.1%
Bloomington, IN 57.0%
Broomfield, CO 56.9%
Centennial, CO 56.9%
Hoover, AL 56.9%
Rochester Hills, MI 56.9%
Pasadena, CA 56.8%
San Clemente, CA 56.6%
Atlanta, GA 56.5%
Charleston, SC 56.4%
Boca Raton, FL 56.1%
Milpitas, CA 55.3%
Laguna Niguel, CA 55.1%
Allen, TX 55.0%
Austin, TX 55.0%
Santa Cruz, CA 54.9%
Maple Grove, MN 54.8%
Thousand Oaks, CA 54.8%
Richardson, TX 54.6%
Redwood City, CA 54.1%
Schaumburg Village, IL 54.1%
Germantown, MD 53.9%
West Des Moines. IA 53.8%
Ankeny, IA 53.5%
Columbia, MO 53.5%
Silver Spring, MD 53.4%
Stamford, CT 53.3%
Torrance, CA 53.2%
Denver, CO 53.1%
Folsom, CA 53.1%
Redlands, CA 53.0%
Greenville, SC 52.9%
Jersey City, NJ 52.8%
Portland, OR 52.8%
Chino Hills, CA 52.4%
Yorba Linda, CA 52.4%
Minneapolis, MN 52.2%
Boston, MA 51.7%
Lawrence, KS 51.7%
Santa Clarita, CA 51.6%
Edmond, OK 51.4%
Durham, NC 51.1%
Doral, FL 51.1%
Flagstaff, AZ 51.3%
Lakeville, MN 51.3%
Lake Forest, CA 50.9%
Jupiter, FL 50.3%
Raleigh, NC 50.3%
Lee's Summit, MO 50.3%
Tempe, AZ 50.3%
Pittsburgh comes in at 45.4% in 2020 when only looking at the city...add in the MSA and it's a whole other story.
That's because you're looking at the entire adult population, and the Pittsburgh metropolitan area has arguably the strongest college education gradient by age of any major metropolitan area in the U.S. Its 25-44 population is college-educated at a rate much higher than average, and its 65+ population is college-educated at a rate much lower than average, so altogether, its average is...average.
Because everywhere has large universities.
It must be large universities plus something.
I'm asking what is that something.
In a college town the center of the universe is education so I can see the need for a higher percentage of educated workforce.
I don't get the feeling of college town in Provo or Tallahassee. If obviously the large colleges and...
If the city in question is a center of biomedical research, healthcare, engineering or information technology, then its educational attainment level will also skew upward, for those fields employ disproportionate numbers of highly educated workers. And as has also been mentioned, employees in government administration also tend to be highly educated, state capitals like Tallahassee, or even Charleston in not-so-well-educated West Virginia, also have higher levels of educational attainment.
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That's because you're looking at the entire adult population, and the Pittsburgh metropolitan area has arguably the strongest college education gradient by age of any major metropolitan area in the U.S. Its 25-44 population is college-educated at a rate much higher than average, and its 65+ population is college-educated at a rate much lower than average, so altogether, its average is...average.
So what you're telling me, then, is that the counties surrounding Pittsburgh are not only less well educated but also grayer than Allegheny County. Do I have that right? (It would make some sense, since all of the universities that give Pittsburgh the edge over both its cross-state rival Philadelphia and other Rust Belt cities in robotics, AI and other high-tech research are located in the city of Pittsburgh itself.)
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I'm seeing the DC area as being the most balanced here, and the true answer. Followed closely by the Bay Area and Seattle/Boston.
For DC it's:
#3 city on the Wallet hub list
#2 in Census data list of most Bachelor's degrees by percentage MSA
#2 in Census data list of most Bachelor's degrees by percentage city proper
The #1 and #4 in Census data counties with most Bachelor's degrees percentage (Fairfax and Montgomery)
I'm seeing the DC area as being the most balanced here, and the true answer. Followed closely by the Bay Area and Seattle/Boston.
For DC it's:
#3 city on the Wallet hub list
#2 in Census data list of most Bachelor's degrees by percentage MSA
#2 in Census data list of most Bachelor's degrees by percentage city proper
The #1 and #4 in Census data counties with most Bachelor's degrees percentage (Fairfax and Montgomery)
Which makes sense. You move to DC because you have a real, real good job which require a degree.
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