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I think you have Atlanta and Miami switched.
Atlanta passed Miami a few years ago.
The 2021 estimates: southern and NE cities in the top 50 shown
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA 19,768.46
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 7,759.62
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX 7,206.84
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 6,356.43
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 6,228.6
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta, GA 6,144.05
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 6,091.75
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH 4,899.93
Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 3,219.51
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD 2,838.33
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC 2,701.05
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 2,691.93
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 2,601.79
Pittsburgh, PA 2,353.54
Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX 2,352.43
Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro-- 2,012.489k
Virginia Beach- VA-NC 1,803.33
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA 1,675.77
Jacksonville, FL 1,637.67
Raleigh-Cary, NC 1,448.41
Oklahoma City, OK 1,441.65
Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,336.1
Richmond, VA 1,324.06
Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 1,284.57
New Orleans-Metairie, LA 1,261.73
Hartford-East Hartford-Middletown, CT 1,211.91
Bos-wash is in red, SE in blue and Texas in green.
I think you would have to include all of the south to even have a spot in the conversation. The SE corridor might not even emerge as#1 in the south, let alone #2 in the country
The Piedmont Corridor is only 18.5M
The Texas Triangle is over 23M
The Florida Corridor is approx 20M
The Gulf Coast is about 14M
The NE is over 50M.
Well, you are splicing away Florida m. Florida is literally in the southeast United States. Add it back, the south most definitely has a case for 2nd.
When people separate Florida they usually mean culturally, not really geographically. Jax is four hours and Tampa is about 6… Miami 9.
Honestly proximity is just different here because of how we are built, those aren’t far to most of us here.
In any case, that doesn’t change much. As an ex Charlotte “hater” I’m proud of Charlotte ( and Nash) for what it is, and contributes to the region. Let’s just be objective though.
Well, you are splicing away Florida m. Florida is literally in the southeast United States. Add it back, the south most definitely has a case for 2nd.
When people separate Florida they usually mean culturally, not really geographically. Jax is four hours and Tampa is about 6… Miami 9.
Honestly proximity is just different here because of how we are built, those aren’t far to most of us here.
Also, isn't DC defined as the south? At least, according to the Census. No region in the country can compete with the NE, it's the oldest region and had a major head start on the others.
The SE will not be able to compete with the NE no matter how fast Charlotte and Nashville grows. Now, if you included Texas, I think the south is solidified as 2nd regardless of LA and SF. Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, and Miami arguably are top 10 cities. In the NE, you have NYC, Boston, Washington (if you include it) and Philly. No other region have as many top tier cities. I didn't take a look at the 2nd tier cities but I know each region is full of them.
Well, you are splicing away Florida m. Florida is literally in the southeast United States. Add it back, the south most definitely has a case for 2nd.
When people separate Florida they usually mean culturally, not really geographically. Jax is four hours and Tampa is about 6… Miami 9.
Honestly proximity is just different here because of how we are built, those aren’t far to most of us here.
The Florida megaregion is separate from the Piedmont region, but even adding Florida the two regions together still falls short of 2nd as the great lakes region is still above 50M.
The best case is to have the south as a region as a whole, only then does it beat the NE and the midwest.
But the area would be huge. 2nd only to the West in land area.
Then again, you might as well add the midwest to the NorthEast and in that case the north and south would both be about 116.5M. Dead even.
I think people forget other regions are growing too.
In the last decade, NYC (city limits) added more people than the entire city of Atlanta. The NY metropolitan area in the last decade has added around 50% of the entire population of metropolitan Nashville.
The DC metropolitan area added as many people in the last decade as Charlotte & Nashville did combined.
Boston’s metropolitan area added more than Nashville & the same as Charlotte
Philadelphia metropolitan area added around the same as Nashville.
Asking when they will catapult the south to the Bos-Wash corridor is like asking when Greenville SC is going to surpass Charlotte because it’s growing way faster & GrubHub Articles rank it as a great low cost place that’s growing, etc.
I think that 2010 number is low, but Atlanta grew by over 1 million from that time on. NYC has been in the 8 million range since before then, and a lot of that is people relocating from the burbs to gentrified inner city, not true transplants moving from down to up there .. no one really does that, makes no economic sense.
Also, DC is more on par population wise with Miami and Atlanta, Charlotte and Nash combined won’t even get you 5 million people, so of course DC might have more raw number growth. It’s still growing faster as a percentage, and definitely isn’t touching Atlanta and the attractive Florida cities Miami and Tampa.
And DC metro extends into south, so this kinda proves the point here. I’m sure PG and Montgomery are hot right now because of how much space you get, and the price to reflect that. You all are not a true northeastern metro area.
New York MSA: +1,173,000
Washington (DC) MSA: +706,000
Boston MSA: +370,000
Philadelphia: +270,000
Baltimore: +125,000
Atlanta MSA: +798,000
Charlotte MSA: +419,478
Nashville MSA: +344,000
Miami MSA: +542,000
Orlando MSA: +538,000
Tampa MSA: +395,000
It’s kind of apples to oranges of an entire region vs. the primary cities along I-95 in the Boston-Washington corridor. It doesn’t make much sense anymore than saying South Carolina is more populated than Nashville’s metropolitan area.
New York MSA: +1,173,000
Washington (DC) MSA: +706,000
Boston MSA: +370,000
Philadelphia: +270,000
Baltimore: +125,000
Atlanta MSA: +798,000
Charlotte MSA: +419,478
Nashville MSA: +344,000
Miami MSA: +542,000
Orlando MSA: +538,000
Tampa MSA: +395,000
It’s kind of apples to oranges of an entire region vs. the primary cities along I-95 in the Boston-Washington corridor. It doesn’t make much sense anymore than saying South Carolina is more populated than Nashville’s metropolitan area.
I don’t know what your paragraph means, but you don’t understand proportional growth rate that’s on you. Boston, Philly and Bmore is very slow growth in comparison. Even Greenville is growing as fast as Bmore in raw numbers. Also, between 2020 and now all the Covid remote workers who moved south to have cheaper rent while keeping their job in NY and Boston is a real thing, I’d be curious to see that data.
You are so happy to leave Charlotte, but you’ve only been in DC for a little bit. Don’t be one of those. At least hit your 15 year anniversary there before you boost that whole region lol
In any case, that doesn’t change much. As an ex Charlotte “hater” I’m proud of Charlotte ( and Nash) for what it is, and contributes to the region. Let’s just be objective though.
No its not that I'm a Charlotte lover of anything. I am a transplant who has lived here in the city for 10 years now and the numbers put out here are different. Remember I'm a DC native. In any case I don't want to derail this thread at all so no worries
I think that 2010 number is low, but Atlanta grew by over 1 million from that time on. NYC has been in the 8 million range since before then, and a lot of that is people relocating from the burbs to gentrified inner city, not true transplants moving from down to up there .. no one really does that, makes no economic sense.
Also, DC is more on par population wise with Miami and Atlanta, Charlotte and Nash combined won’t even get you 5 million people, so of course DC might have more raw number growth. It’s still growing faster as a percentage, and definitely isn’t touching Atlanta and the attractive Florida cities Miami and Tampa.
And DC metro extends into south, so this kinda proves the point here. I’m sure PG and Montgomery are hot right now because of how much space you get, and the price to reflect that. You all are not a true northeastern metro area.
I don’t use Statista because it always seems way off.
Maybe I read it wrong but k always found Statista to have pretty varying population figures vs. other sources which are consistent.
It also makes a lot of economy sense to leave a giant house in the suburb, get rid of having a vehicle per adult and sometimes child and getting a smaller house in a denser city and having 1 car or less per household. That makes more economic sense than spending all that money on vehicles, insurance, so much yard work etc.
“No one really moves to very populated mega cities, there’s too many people there” I think the cities actually do get more transplants and more international transplants Vs. “Lower cost” cities. Washington, Chicago, San Francisco, New York attract people in a way that a Charlotte attracts people.
No its not that I'm a Charlotte lover of anything. I am a transplant who has lived here in the city for 10 years now and the numbers put out here are different. Remember I'm a DC native. In any case I don't want to derail this thread at all so no worries
Lol You definitely love and defend it. And 10+ years is a long time. Especially if you made that move in your younger adult years. It’s home
However, the most accurate stat is still 2.7.
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