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I disagree with that completely but I guess this would depend on your social circle.
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I lived right outside of DC and worked DC proper... and have (had) many friends in DC. Most people living in PG absolutely looked down on black people living in DC to some extent. I opted not to live in Harlem when I had the job offer. Ive been going to and through Harlem virtually my entire life for various reasons. its not some unfamiliar place even though I have never lived there. No one really puts any prestige on living in DC. Is not as big a deal as living in Harlem- its really not.
It is widely considered to be the poorest and most 'hood; black people in the area. I actually just saw a meme this morning that called Lamar Jackson-DC, Deshaun Watson-PG, and Russel Wilson as MoCo. What do you think that implies? DC people may be prdieful but in the DMV its not considered the crown jewel of black existence. For folks in the suburbs- like I was, its seen as place to go socialize and then go back some to your middle-class black professional community.
I know for a fact this is not the case with Harlem compared to other places in the NYC metro. Places like Newark, Irvington, East Orange, Brownsville, the Bronx and other places are all considered more rough and ghetto. Also, the gentrification of Harlem is in large part because people place weight and value on Harlem- that is why my brother moved there as opposed to a cheaper place he could have moved to in the Bronx. He picked Harlem because he was familiar with it and knew the amenities and the vibe.
The crowd is of is young black professionals. Almost no one I personally know under like 50 thinks Harlem is still a ghetto (most of the crime horror stories since the pandemic are concentrated in Brooklyn and the Bronx). Even the oldheads will tell you what its like now and what they've heard. When it comes to urban black professional destinations Harlem and Central Brooklyn are considered to be in a league of their own. UWS and Chelsea are irrelevant here. ..And you can see that in movies like the Best Man 3, and the show "Harlem" its super bourgeoise and polished in how its depicted. No equivalent depictions for Washington DC.
The money in DC is in home ownership. Those neighborhoods are completely different than neighborhoods with older walkup apartments. That’s the difference between the city and the suburbs. People from all income brackets live in the city, but people that own houses have money whether you’re talking about NYC, DC, or Atlanta.
I can’t imagine anyone I know that lives in PG saying what you said to someone who owns a house in DC. They would be laughed all the way back to the suburbs. PG has cheap real estate and high taxes.
DC really lacks grocery stores. Gentrifying neighborhoods like Bloomingdale, Trinidad, and Eckington have zero full service grocery stores. Personally one of the reasons i didn't move to these neighborhoods.
Even the upper income neighborhoods like 16th Street Heights have no real grocery stores.
IDK, I would not assume DC's black population wouldn't drop to the 20-30% range in a few decades. A lot of factors going into this but one thing for certain is that DC's black percentage will continue to decrease (even if the raw numbers increase) as other groups are moving in at faster rates.
Eckington has a Harris Teeter and Trader Joe’s right next to it within 1/2 mile walking distance. Bloomingdale will have a Harris Teeter soon when McMillian (under construction) is done.
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I was trying to say that more diplomatically, but yes, I agree.
What people are y'all taking about though? Maybe young professionals... I don't agree with this at all. I know young professionals who were born and raised in Maryland, PG or MOCO who don't want any part of living in DC... No matter how much they make. They prefer the lifestyle in Maryland. They like living in a State, they like their cars, their space etc... But to say they are "pretenders" is silly as hell...
So you think most women are not thinking about where a man lives and what indication that might be of his financial status?
Okay.
What type of black women did you date when you lived in DC?
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Huh?
Who have you been talking to? That is definitely not my experience. People live in PG because they can’t afford to live in DC. That is the entire conversation. PG County is very cheap to rent and buy a house. I have no idea what circle you were hanging in where people said that. DC is where the money is. PG may be where the “pretenders” live, but if you own a house in DC, you have money and everyone I know owns their own house in DC and many people own more than one in DC.
Eckington has a Harris Teeter and Trader Joe’s right next to it within 1/2 mile walking distance. Bloomingdale will have a Harris Teeter soon when McMillian (under construction) is done.
That HT and TJ are really in NOMA, not super convenient if you live closer to Rhode Island Ave.
That McMillan site will not be done anytime soon. I actually looked at a place in Bloomingdale and north of Rhode Island, there was a lack of retail that made me look somewhere else. Close access to a grocery store is important to me and unfortunately much of DC lacks it.
What people are y'all taking about though? Maybe young professionals... I don't agree with this at all. I know young professionals who were born and raised in Maryland, PG or MOCO who don't want any part of living in DC... No matter how much they make. They prefer the lifestyle in Maryland. They like living in a State, they like their cars, their space etc... But to say they are "pretenders" is silly as hell...
Exactly, I know quite a few MD folks who won't even take the Metro and would never like in DC. Then you have the folks who used to live in DC during the murder capitol days and think its still like that..
This doesn't prove that the majority of Black wealth is concentrating in PG County. Again, this goes back to my example about some random suburban county having a higher median HHI than Manhattan. This doesn't mean "richer." It does mean less diverse, as in most suburban jurisdictions have exclusionary zoning policies that keep more poor people out, hence higher median incomes. They also tend to have less subsidized housing that prevents displacement to some degree.
If you ended all affordable housing programs in NYC or DC, you would see the median HHI skyrocket since a large number of people would not be able to afford market rates. So there's an income distortion there that you're not going to see in most suburban jurisdictions.
What people are y'all taking about though? Maybe young professionals... I don't agree with this at all. I know young professionals who were born and raised in Maryland, PG or MOCO who don't want any part of living in DC... No matter how much they make. They prefer the lifestyle in Maryland. They like living in a State, they like their cars, their space etc... But to say they are "pretenders" is silly as hell...
There are many people who hate urban, dense, walkable, bustling neighborhoods like NYC, DC, Boston, Chicago, San Fran, etc. Those people live in the suburbs all over America. The people you’re talking about would be in that group of people. They’re no different than all the other middle America suburban or rural people. When we say pretenders, we’re talking about people that drive their expensive car while renting an apartment and wear expensive clothes while having a low net worth.
That HT and TJ are really in NOMA, not super convenient if you live closer to Rhode IslandAve.
That McMillan site will not be done anytime soon. I actually looked at a place in Bloomingdale and north of Rhode Island, there was a lack of retail that made me look somewhere else. Close access to a grocery store is important to me and unfortunately much of DC lacks it.
There is a Giant by Rhode Island metro station.
DC had 74 grocery stores in 2020 with 5 more in the pipeline. That is way more grocery stores than anywhere in the suburbs.
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