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I mean, sure, who wants to deal with winter in upstate New York but also what?
All of those places lack the economic opportunities that you find in the Sunbelt and are just straight sad to anyone not from there unless they leave, and lot of people do. I mean, have you been to Buffalo? I couldn’t get to the Canadian side fast enough.
A lot of people moved away from Buffalo in the last decades purely for economic reasons while maintaining connections and family ties. It is very common that many, including myself, returned when the economic or job circumstances made things more favorable, whether it’s new employment, transfer, work from home, or retirement. A cooler climate, lower housing costs, and family is a big draw - and many of us have brought non-native family members back who appreciate the area and do just fine.
There are many middle and wealthy areas in WNY that are doing just fine, unfortunately much of Niagara Falls NY is not one of those areas, and again unfortunately can leave visitors bad impressions.
The current unemployment rate in Buffalo is 3.6%, plenty of jobs available today that weren’t in previous years. It’s not among the top cities in population any more, so of course that translates to fewer compared to bigger places. But at the same time it’s not small either.
Many cities were old money like that but have become more integrated. You would think with Black incomes rising that intown Charleston would have an increase of Black grads (say from UofSC) who want an urban lifestyle but dont want to be too far from home.
As for your Colbert comment, it obviously depends on what you define as stuffy. Colbert is a classic limo liberal (so stuffy), and not a person Black America looks up to at all, so interesting call out there... Especially considering Colbert's heritage in the area likely traces back to when jewish people (Colbert is jewish) were the major slave traders in the region (and by the way, Blacks were in the low country before slave trading too but I digress).
So for many many Blacks, their bloodlines have been in the America's for hundreds of years even without slavery, so not too surprising that many of their offspring who spread out into the country are "coming back home" generations later.
Stewart is Jewish, Colbert is Very Christian. He teaches bible school and everything. Right on the rest, black Americans don't have an opinion of him either way I suspect. Surely they are over there on nbc with the roots and the drunk that plays games! (jus playing, I love the drunk that plays games).
As for the black graduate professional class, they're working on their career and there are no shortage of growing southern metros that they would want to move to for connections and the like, the Piedmont cities (Atlanta, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charlotte & Raleigh is just irresistible...they figure they can vacation in the Low Country, and that's what they do.
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They also keep hearing how ATL rivals Wakanda with those other 3 picking up speed and there ya go.
It feels like that, doesn't it! The black mecca, the so called black hollywood. The land of chocolate milk and brown sugar honey. LoL
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Philly does not have anything similar - a "back to the city" movement spawned by black professionals. But there are stable middle-class black neighborhoods on the fringes of West Philly (like Wynnefield) and North Philly (like East Oak Lane), along with in Northwest Philly (Mt. Airy).
We do, plenty of black professionals in the gentrifying neighborhoods, and like you said, the ones in the NW have always been popular. What we don't have is a historic black neighborhood that the black professional class would rally around as they do Harlem or Bronzeville or even the West End in Atlanta or U Street in D.C. or Roxbury in Boston. Our inner city young black professional class is well integrated with the white young professional class.
Now if there is a black equivalent to Harlem or Bronzeville in Philadelphia it would be the Graduate Hospital (South Street) Area...the area that has the Odunde Festival, that's our first black neighborhood. And it is Lost....wholly gentrified....but there are some black professionals that live there, and older black families still.
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In Philadelphia, as mentioned in the Northeast black middle class thread, pockets of the Main Line communities and suburbs to the SW of the city have higher percentages.
A lot of people moved away from Buffalo in the last decades purely for economic reasons while maintaining connections and family ties. It is very common that many, including myself, returned when the economic or job circumstances made things more favorable, whether it’s new employment, transfer, work from home, or retirement. A cooler climate, lower housing costs, and family is a big draw - and many of us have brought non-native family members back who appreciate the area and do just fine.
There are many middle and wealthy areas in WNY that are doing just fine, unfortunately much of Niagara Falls NY is not one of those areas, and again unfortunately can leave visitors bad impressions.
The current unemployment rate in Buffalo is 3.6%, plenty of jobs available today that weren’t in previous years. It’s not among the top cities in population any more, so of course that translates to fewer compared to bigger places. But at the same time it’s not small either.
I think this occurred quite a bit, as some people leave and come back later.
Relevant to the thread, middle and upper income black residents of the area(outside of Bills players that tend to live in say Orchard Park, Hamburg, East Aurora or even West Seneca); others may live in city neighborhoods like Hamlin Park, Parkside, North Buffalo, Kensington(inc. Kensington Heights), Elmwood Village, Allentown, Linwood and Downtown in substantial numbers or parts of suburbs like Amherst(Eggertsville, the Sweet Home SD, parts of the Williamsville SD); Cheektowaga(Cleveland Hill, parts of Pine Hill, parts of the Maryvale SD near the Airport, a couple of areas in the southern portion of the town in the West Seneca and Cheektowaga-Sloan SD's, etc.) and parts of the Kenmore-Tonawanda SD(parts of the western part of the village of Kenmore and the Lincoln Park/Kenilworth area of the town of Tonawanda). Some are in the DeVeaux and Hyde Park areas of Niagara Falls and scattered in other parts of the area. So, some that may have moved in from other areas, likely move to many of these areas.
Goose Creek very much so and Summerville pretty much so. Not North Charleston anymore, at only 1% growth in black population from 2010 to 2020. N. Charleston has gotten a lot more expensive.
We do, plenty of black professionals in the gentrifying neighborhoods, and like you said, the ones in the NW have always been popular. What we don't have is a historic black neighborhood that the black professional class would rally around as they do Harlem or Bronzeville or even the West End in Atlanta or U Street in D.C. or Roxbury in Boston. Our inner city young black professional class is well integrated with the white young professional class.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply there wasn't a prominent black professional population, just that unlike Chicago there wasn't a prominent "back to the city" movement among Philly's AA population - in part because the black professional population never left the city (Chicago has a lot more black suburbs than Philly overall, so the black middle class is more extensively suburbanized).
You are trying to make me go into my bag…I’ve mentioned many Upstate NY cities where the black population has grown many times over within city limits.
This doesn’t include smaller cities/bigger villages such as Cohoes, Endicott, Johnson City and Watervliet that are in the Albany and Binghamton areas, that are walkable and have had explosive growth in their black populations(among others): https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=3616749
So, there is a migration to smaller and mid sized cities in Upstate NY with walkability, that has come by way of movement from bigger Northeastern/Midwestern cities, the military(Watertown and Rome in the past), direct migration from the South, immigration/refugee relocation, job relocation, to attend college and stay, etc. I’d say that this is largely AA growth and isn’t even counting black Hispanics. This doesn’t include the growth in some of the other suburbs/small towns either.
This also not considering those that have moved South(Atlanta, Charlotte and DC are big with black Upstate NYers) and other places(Boston seems to be popular lately).
For NYC, it is very obvious that the #1 reason is COL.
It probably only going to accelerate now with $15 min wage and other increases. Before, a lot of African Americans were somewhat insulated since they lived in rent stabilized housing or NYCHA, so people who were moving were mostly employed folks. But now with these increases, things like food and other daily necessities became very expensive even if your living costs are subsidized.
For NYC, it is very obvious that the #1 reason is COL.
It probably only going to accelerate now with $15 min wage and other increases. Before, a lot of African Americans were somewhat insulated since they lived in rent stabilized housing or NYCHA, so people who were moving were mostly employed folks. But now with these increases, things like food and other daily necessities became very expensive even if your living costs are subsidized.
Most people i know who moved out of NYC did so because, in order:
1) COL
2) Poor Quality of life
3) Lack of opportunity
4) Poor Housing quality
5) Weather
6) Inability to access amenities other can
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