The Concentration of the New Great Migration (living, cost, state)
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My job on this thread is to present statistics, not to offer opinions as to why people are leaving. That doesn't mean there are not inferences to make on the data alone.
This thread will focus on data from African Americans as opposed to foreign born black residents since the focus is on the New (Reverse) Great Migration. I wanted to explore the data more in depth after reading some of the works by Charles Blow who wrote "The Devil You Know".
A few things are obvious based solely on data:
1) The African American population is becoming more suburban. Even in metro areas where the African American population is booming, it overwhelmingly in the suburbs.
2) The bulk of African American growth is in the South, but I am surprised at how concentrated it it. Within the South, it overwhelmingly revolves around just 4 metro areas: Atlanta, DFW, Houston, and Charlotte. There are many parts of the South where African American in-migration is actually declining. There are other places where, despite large scale state growth, the African American in-migration is at a trickle (Tennessee).
3) Las Vegas and Phoenix seem to be outliers. They are outside the South but still have very healthy levels of African American growth. This is probably the result of African Americans leaving California.
4) There is no relation between African American growth vs. foreign born black growth. NYC, Miami, Boston, and Minneapolis are all huge hot spots with foreign born black growth but all lost African American population.
Here is the data. This is African American growth between 2011-2021 from outside the state. Again this African American only and will not include foreign born black residents.
Feel free to chime in and offer views as to why it is what it is.
Some other metros you could have probably/possibly put on the list on the growth side, but I'm not sure how to separate it out and I would assume most are African American.
This is part of the problem. You're taking the worst characteristics of the entire region to make your point we it has already been well established that African Americans aren't moving to the entire region.
You cant judge the entire region vs. the Bos-Wash corridor when its already been established that its just four places they African Americans are moving to in large numbers. What's going on in Memphis or Birmingham isn't relevant to this conversation because those are not targets for mass migration.
No! The poster above has constantly made the claim that QOL in the southeast is “superior” to that of the Northeast. I was just simply telling him that QOL is subjective and when it comes to many QOL metrics the southeast usually ranks at the bottom.
There are two ways to look at QOL,
1.) your personal opinion and lifestyle
2.) facts that demonstrate the reality of many people in one location.
No it doesn’t. AAs in the south are in the exact same position as AAs everywhere else. That’s a myth. The most impoverished AA communities for the most part are still in the sunbelt region.
And you are right it is your opinion but the QOL metrics I posted are facts that demonstrate the entire region. I didn’t mention those facts based on your lifestyle.
P.S - I am a black man btw (to the mods)
You can rant about it all you want, but the fact remains the SE offers me (and many others) a superior quality of life than that of the NE. Second, COL was NOT a major factor in my (or for many others) decision. And with that, I am done.
Of course, everyone views things through their own cultural, racial and regional bias lens. However, since I am from the NE I know and understand the pompous mindset that many have or had. I used to think like some other uppity urban northerners, but since then a lot of the South has changed and, as far as I am concerned, it now, in many locations, offers a superior quality of life compared to the NE. A main factor why I and many others from the that region are willing to stay in the south despite seeing the COL SIGNIFCANTLY increase since relocating.
Ignoring the snippier parts of your comment, Does cost of living not affect one’s quality of life ? For example, A family of four making 150k in Queens can absolutely increase their QOL if they move to an Atlanta suburb or Charlotte in large part because the COL Is more affordable than in NY. They can probably affordable to buy in a neighborhood with better safety, good public schools, lower taxes, and more affordable groceries and property. I just don’t see how you can divorce COL from QOL.
I don't understand why this thread has become about the Northeast vs. the Southeast, when it's been shown statistically speaking that the Reverse Great Migration is heavily from the Midwest.
Again, Black people aren't leaving the Midwest for COL reasons. Even in Chicagoland, you can buy a house on the South Side (or within the black suburbs) for under $150,000; often way, way under that.
Ironically, for a forum with such a high percentage of participants who constantly tout growth as a good thing, a reason for moving here from the NE that I hear as often as warmer weather and a lower COL that I forgot to mention earlier is that where they came from was too crowded.
I don't understand why this thread has become about the Northeast vs. the Southeast, when it's been shown statistically speaking that the Reverse Great Migration is heavily from the Midwest.
Again, Black people aren't leaving the Midwest for COL reasons. Even in Chicagoland, you can buy a house on the South Side (or within the black suburbs) for under $150,000; often way, way under that.
Due to the difference in the environments that shape these 2 branches of the Black pop.
My job on this thread is to present statistics, not to offer opinions as to why people are leaving. That doesn't mean there are not inferences to make on the data alone.
This thread will focus on data from African Americans as opposed to foreign born black residents since the focus is on the New (Reverse) Great Migration. I wanted to explore the data more in depth after reading some of the works by Charles Blow who wrote "The Devil You Know".
A few things are obvious based solely on data:
1) The African American population is becoming more suburban. Even in metro areas where the African American population is booming, it overwhelmingly in the suburbs.
2) The bulk of African American growth is in the South, but I am surprised at how concentrated it it. Within the South, it overwhelmingly revolves around just 4 metro areas: Atlanta, DFW, Houston, and Charlotte. There are many parts of the South where African American in-migration is actually declining. There are other places where, despite large scale state growth, the African American in-migration is at a trickle (Tennessee).
3) Las Vegas and Phoenix seem to be outliers. They are outside the South but still have very healthy levels of African American growth. This is probably the result of African Americans leaving California.
4) There is no relation between African American growth vs. foreign born black growth. NYC, Miami, Boston, and Minneapolis are all huge hot spots with foreign born black growth but all lost African American population.
Here is the data. This is African American growth between 2011-2021 from outside the state. Again this African American only and will not include foreign born black residents.
Feel free to chime in and offer views as to why it is what it is.
What source did you use to see AA migration from outside the state? The Census Bureau says metro Charleston lost 295 or 0.2% of AA’s or residents identifying as Black from 2010 to 2020. Do you have info specifically about Black in-migration from other states? If so, that in-migration to metro Charleston was slightly more than offset by AA migration out of metro Charleston, judging by Census Bureau stats.
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