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Anything but Miami since you've already been there a bunch. I'd personally do Cleveland, maybe do like a week each in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Rochester and make it an eastern Great Lakes trip.
Maybe you misread it, but I overwhelmingly supported Chicago over Cleveland.
Nah, I like Cleveland always pull for it. Cleveland punches above its weight and takes a lot of grief for which it does not deserve. The University Circle area is a gem. People should not overlook Cleveland.
Nah, I like Cleveland always pull for it. Cleveland punches above its weight and takes a lot of grief for which it does not deserve. The University Circle area is a gem. People should not overlook Cleveland.
Well, us Clevelanders can thank some current Clevelanders, Cleveland expats, national media, social media, stand-up comics and Joakim Noah for the grief that Cleveland gets . Seriously, I enjoy University Circle; it has come a long way since I grew up. I think a lot of people overlook Cleveland because of the Rust Belt reputation (still strongly dislike that term), and a lot of people think that the Rust Belt is rusty. So, a lot of people don't see it as glamourous.
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Chicago seems like the obvious choice for summer. It's arguably the best summer city in the country with the lakefront, the festivals, all the walkable neighborhoods. Plus, it isn't that far from Cleveland. You could do a long weekend from Chicago.
'Wonderful' is a little strong. I'm not anti-Cleveland, but as a destination for a six week summertime vacation and against relatively strong competition...not even TheProf could bring himself to vote for his beloved hometown
ETA that I see TimidBlueBars voted for Cleveland, but he's from the Chicago area and is likely favoring a spot with which he's not so familiar, making it more of a 'what I would do' versus 'what you should do'
Cleveland has a lot of "pros" to it as a city, but also many many "cons."
Pros are the NFL, NBA, MLB teams. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame Museum. Some good inner city gentrification. Decent industry. Some nice suburbs.
Cons are high crime, not so great economy, declining inner city neighborhoods, pollution, less than ideal winters, declining area population, etc.
All places have both pros and cons, I get that.
But Cleveland's "cons" tend to outweigh its "pros" in many areas. Thus, saying it is "wonderful" is your opinion and is
subjective, of course. But, I would say that people calling Cleveland "wonderful" is an uncommon sentiment shared about the city, overall.
But if someone has not visited, I'd encourage them to at least one time.
Cleveland has a lot of "pros" to it as a city, but also many many "cons."
Pros are the NFL, NBA, MLB teams. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame Museum. Some good inner city gentrification. Decent industry. Some nice suburbs.
Cons are high crime, not so great economy, declining inner city neighborhoods, pollution, less than ideal winters, declining area population, etc.
All places have both pros and cons, I get that.
But Cleveland's "cons" tend to outweigh its "pros" in many areas. Thus, saying it is "wonderful" is your opinion and is
subjective, of course. But, I would say that people calling Cleveland "wonderful" is an uncommon sentiment shared about the city, overall.
But if someone has not visited, I'd encourage them to at least one time.
I remember, as a kid, driving with my family from the RnR HOF to our hotel in Shaker Heights while taking 'the scenic route', ie, we avoided the expressway. I'd invite anyone who considers Cleveland a wonderful place to take that same drive. It's not a short drive, and it's basically uninterrupted blight until you cross a bridge and suddenly you're in relatively upscale suburbia. If things along that route have changed in the last 25 years, then I apologize for the outdated description. But most if not all of that route seemed 'beyond gentrifying'...you'd basically be building on urban prairie, starting from scratch. Not that I thought in terms of gentrification or urban prairie at age 13, but
'..not even TheProf could bring himself to vote for his beloved hometown
Certainly not over Chicago in the Summertime. Miami? Yes, I vote for Cleveland. (winter? Miami, all the way. I've grown to detest winter as I get older)
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. Seriously, I enjoy University Circle; it has come a long way since I grew up. I think a lot of people overlook Cleveland because of the Rust Belt reputation (still strongly dislike that term), and a lot of people think that the Rust Belt is rusty. So, a lot of people don't see it as glamourous.