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Who is flocking to the southern mecca of Baltimore as you proclaim it to be?
Quote where I said that people were flocking to Baltimore, a "southern Mecca."
Then go back and read the places that I said were the fastest growing.
The Baltimore area is growing, however, and our culture hasn't been completely washed away like that cultureless, overrated, souless pit that people call DC.
Facts don't matter if you disagree or not. This isn't an opinion based conversation. Plus, you just realize that people don't know what they're talking about.
You've yet to prove this as a fact and always ignore evidence shown otherwise.
Quote where I said that people were flocking to Baltimore, a "southern Mecca."
Then go back and read the places that I said were the fastest growing.
The Baltimore area is growing, however, and our culture hasn't been completely washed away like that cultureless, overrated, souless pit that people call DC.
Noone took jabs at Bmore. Leave DC out of this. Don't be jealous of DC's success and stick to worrying about Baltimore. It clearly has bigger issues.
You've yet to prove this as a fact and always ignore evidence shown otherwise.
You need for me to prove to you that Maryland is in the Census Designated American South? You weren't privy to that information until you've read this post? You apparently have internet, so you can easily look this stuff up.
Noone took jabs at Bmore. Leave DC out of this. Don't be jealous of DC's success, why don't you stick to worrying about Baltimore. It clearly has bigger issues.
There isn't much left of DC to worry about. The natives been kicked out, there's no real culture there anymore. Charlotte has more culture than DC, at least they know who they are.
Driving from the south and from the states to the southwest of Virginia, it's difficult to argue that Richmond is undeniably southern. Its a matter of perspective and honestly, I don't personally feel either is wrong. Coming from even rural North Carolina 2-3 hours away, Richmond is not typically southern, and coming from Big City South (metros over 1 million), the same vantage exists. Everybody on here debates where the North ends and South begins coming from the North, without acknowledging there is very much another side of that argument--where the South ends and North begins in the eyes of true blooded Southerners...
That side of the coin says the South ends well before Richmond, and Richmond is the Gateway to the North. And if you're someone primarily born and raised South if Virginia, you likely experience a level of culture shock in Richmond and regard it's Southern personality as light, at best...
I just moved to Norfolk (I actually stay currently in the Newtown area that straddles Norfolk and Virginia Beach), and this discussion goes beyond just Richmond in Virginia. A very, very, very strong case can be made that this area and cities are more southern and/or Sunbelt-ish in nature than Richmond and it's metro, and coincidentally a guy at my work is from Columbia, SC, a city recently discussed in concert with Richmond in here. And while I haven't asked him yet, through four days of working with him, the impression I have is that this is not a region or area that is "typically" or "undeniably" Southern to him, based on comments he's given throughout the week...
Richmond is a southern city that is unquestionably historically southern but in the modern day an embodiment of both regions, even if to different degree, and depending on your perspective, it can favor one or the other more. I've been all over the South, and to me, Richmond is not a place I'd call unquestionably or typically Southern, but then, I am one of the few people here with any intimate knowledge of what Richmond is like. And neither is DC, or Baltimore. Southern, yes. "Unquestionably"? Nah, and the only reason Rich was considered southern in yesteryear is because this country was vastly smaller and less diverse, because many of the ties it held to the Northeast back then still hold today and have even strengthened, while its ties to the traditional South have weakened...
This doesn't mean Richmond isn't a southern city. It just means it's the Southern City with unquestionable and undeniable gravitas to the Northeast...
Baltimore is unquestionably southern, DC is unquestioningly devoid of any culture, so it doesn't count as anything, but it is south of Baltimore area.
Grits are practically non existent from about Philly northwards. I have never seen grits in Mass or NYS.
Demographically you chose outliers. Puerto Rican is the largest single ethnic group in Hampden County (Springfield) MA and is about 70% non Hispanic white. Similar to the major cities.
And in terms of Hockey vs NASCAR you picked two states that have strong Southern connection and 1 that Borders Mexico. No New England State, NY, NJ not PA is NASCAR more popular than the NHL. This is about the NE vs South.
Historically Virgina is Southern. That is why Jefferson and Washington played such large roles in the Revolution because the Massachusetts delegation wanted broad support and by introducing Southern leadership it broadened the movement to all colonies.
Uh, I didn't say Nascar was more popular than hockey in NY. I said your mentioning of NASCAR as a Southern thing was curious, as if it's popularity is exclusive to the South, considering how popular Nascar is in New York State...
You obviously haven't been looking for them, but just because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. As I mentioned, I don't eat grits either and wasn't looking for them, either, but know there are restaurants that serve them:
There's at least one restaurant in Syracuse that specifically serves grits as a side or by itself, and incidentally, it isn't a "Southern cuisine" restaurant--its called the New York Style Diner. Ahahahaha how's that for irony?
You're from Rochester, The Red Front is one of several restaurants that will give you grits. It wouldn't be on the menu if it weren't in some form of demand...
Hockey is historically a Canadian sport and is at its most popular there, but is it still a Canadian thing? I think not! Nascar and grits, among many other awkward assertions you've given, may be historically rooted to the South---and every single thing that exists has a "root" somewhere--but are now and have long grown from being just a South thang, which is what your examples asserted. Both have popularity far beyond the Souths borders, and I didn't even try to dig up NY City, New England, or PA for you...
There isn't much left of DC to worry about. The natives been kicked out, there's no real culture there anymore. Charlotte has more culture than DC, at least they know who they are.
Yes, please continue to deflect and talk crap about DC in order to avoid Bmore's problems.
I said that "I agree" with you about Baltimore's problems. I'd be crazy to say Baltimore, like all cities, doesn't have problems.
That being said, Baltimore's problems doesn't make DC any less southern, which is what we're talking about. DC is Dixie.
Then why the sudden attack on DC?
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Originally Posted by KodeBlue
The Baltimore area is growing, however, and our culture hasn't been completely washed away like that cultureless, overrated, souless pit that people call DC.
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