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View Poll Results: Which City is the Densest and tallest?
Boston 17 9.55%
Philadelphia 52 29.21%
Pittsburgh 1 0.56%
Baltimore 0 0%
Miami 11 6.18%
Atlanta 6 3.37%
Houston 17 9.55%
Dallas 2 1.12%
Seattle 8 4.49%
San Francisco 56 31.46%
Other 8 4.49%
Voters: 178. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-30-2009, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Height is only one aspect of this comparison. If you're actually in a city, density is much more relevant than height. As it has been shown previously, Houston's downtown isn't nearly as large Philadelphia, San Francisco, or Boston...and it's not even close in the case of SF and Bos when it comes to office space.
Hmmmm....i guess density would be more important. In that case i would put Philly(more height than SF)
SF(more dense than Philly, but not tall)
Houston(most height, least dense of of the 3)

Also, city-wise Houston is a lot more competitive when it comes to office space. Houstons got 3 skylines.
Besides Downtown,
theres Uptown, the 17th largest business district in the nation, and only 10-13% of Houston's office space.
And the TMC, which has more office space than Uptown, and is comparable to Downtown Dallas.
Houston has a lot of F500 companies that needs HQ's you know, i mean second to NYC.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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^ If they are where people live how does that apply to the Central Business District, which is where people work not live? I think they only tell part of the story. I think if we had data stating the square footage of the CBD followed by vacancy rates that might be a better gauge of which one is densest.
Washington DC would follow Chicago in office space sq footage. But DC often gets overlooked in this aspect due to its low rise/more spread out nature.

Big drop

SF-Philly-Boston are all about the same size in regards to office space and vacancy rates in the cbd.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Denver
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^ If they are where people live how does that apply to the Central Business District, which is where people work not live? I think they only tell part of the story. I think if we had data stating the square footage of the CBD followed by vacancy rates that might be a better gauge of which one is densest.
Ask and you shall receive!

From Grubb-Ellis

City: CBD Office Space; Vacancy Rate; Occupied Office Space

Houston: 35,345,454 sq ft; 11.9%; 31,137,924 sq ft

Philadelphia: 39,788,854 sq ft; 12.6%; 31,762,543 sq ft

Boston (not including Back Bay): 51,722,968 sq ft; 10.4%; 46,343,780 sq ft

San Francisco (Financial District, Jackson Square, Union Square, Yerba Buena, SOMA): 57,288,747; 14.1% in Fin District, 18.9% in other districts; 48,637,168 sq ft

By the way, here's how the two big boys look:

Chicago: 123,012,105 sq ft; 15.4%; 104,056,822 sq ft

Manhattan (doesn't include any other boroughs): 363,184,258 sq ft; 8.6%; 331,774,619 sq ft

Combining Houston, Philly, Boston, San Francisco, and Chicago would only create 307,158,128 sq ft haha...Simply incredible.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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So it looks like San Francisco is the winner. Thanks for the data tmc.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:34 AM
 
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Miami is dense and tall but much of it is residential, not typical CBD type occupancy.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Hmmmm....i guess density would be more important. In that case i would put Philly(more height than SF)
SF(more dense than Philly, but not tall)
Houston(most height, least dense of of the 3)

Also, city-wise Houston is a lot more competitive when it comes to office space. Houstons got 3 skylines.
Besides Downtown,
theres Uptown, the 17th largest business district in the nation, and only 10-13% of Houston's office space.
And the TMC, which has more office space than Uptown, and is comparable to Downtown Dallas.
Houston has a lot of F500 companies that needs HQ's you know, i mean second to NYC.
That's all good and fun...but this is about the largest CBD.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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Ask and you shall receive!

From Grubb-Ellis

City: CBD Office Space; Vacancy Rate; Occupied Office Space

Houston: 35,345,454 sq ft; 11.9%; 31,137,924 sq ft

Philadelphia: 39,788,854 sq ft; 12.6%; 31,762,543 sq ft

Boston (not including Back Bay): 51,722,968 sq ft; 10.4%; 46,343,780 sq ft

San Francisco (Financial District, Jackson Square, Union Square, Yerba Buena, SOMA): 57,288,747; 14.1% in Fin District, 18.9% in other districts; 48,637,168 sq ft

By the way, here's how the two big boys look:

Chicago: 123,012,105 sq ft; 15.4%; 104,056,822 sq ft

Manhattan (doesn't include any other boroughs): 363,184,258 sq ft; 8.6%; 331,774,619 sq ft

Combining Houston, Philly, Boston, San Francisco, and Chicago would only create 307,158,128 sq ft haha...Simply incredible.
All of the areas listed are not part of the CBD in each city. Union Square is not in the Central Business District of San Francisco.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Denver
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All of the areas listed are not part of the CBD in each city. Union Square is not in the Central Business District of San Francisco.
I've heard San Franciscans say they feel Union Square is the heart of the downtown. If you look at the map from this (http://www.grubb-ellis.com/Research/Reports.aspx - broken link)link (just click California, scroll down to San Francisco--not San Francisco Peninsula), you'll see Union Square is basically apart of the financial district. I left out some of the further areas like North Waterfront, Mission Bay, and Civic Center/Van Ness.
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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I've heard San Franciscans say they feel Union Square is the heart of the downtown. If you look at the map from this (http://www.grubb-ellis.com/Research/Reports.aspx - broken link)link (just click California, scroll down to San Francisco--not San Francisco Peninsula), you'll see Union Square is basically apart of the financial district. I left out some of the further areas like North Waterfront, Mission Bay, and Civic Center/Van Ness.
Literally, the heart of the city!
http://diaryofasmartchick.com/wp-con...isco-heart.jpg
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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That's all good and fun...but this is about the largest CBD.
I know, just thought i'd mentioned that the real world is composed of areas outside of the CBD before we go on making statements like Houston not being close to SF and Boston. But it was all good and fun.
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