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Since not much is continuing here.... and Chinatowns became a topic for a bit.
Seems from this link. That Chicago's growing Chinatown..... is now the 2nd largest true one left. I am sure debated vs NYC other then Manhattan ones. Still on official ones.
Its growing nature non-gentrification.... has certainly helped it. South of downtown Chicago. It is building towards it and they will connect with land from former mills now adding dense development over a couple decades planned. That may hurt if gentrification does change its current trajectory.
So far the ethnic live-in residents are staying and other Asians even around it in nextdoor neighborhoods and Chinese added to it.
Yes. No doubt Chicago has an impressive Chinatown.
Boston also has a solid Chinatown.
Philadelphia definitely edges out Boston's chinatown.
As another poster said. There are 5 H Mart's in Philadelphia metro. And only 2 in Boston.
That is quite significant. And all 5 in Metro Philadelphia are actually spaced out quite well in all diverse communities.
Tufts and the continuation of luxury residential development is eroding Boston's chinatown. Similar to how D.C's Chinatown is now pretty much gone.
There is a major lack of continuity.
Philadelphia also has a Koreatown in Olney and a very large Vietnamese population. Although no clear designated neighborhood name, but mostly in South Philadelphia.
In terms of continuity of urban fabric.
Chicago inner loop looks the most similar to Manhattan.
But once you get to outer neighborhoods Philadelphia looks most like NYC.
Even places like Girard Estates in Philadelphia, look almost exactly the same as something you would find in Queens, NY.
Northern Liberties, Philadelphia and Williamsburg, NY.
Basically look the same.
Rittenhouse looks like, the West Village.
Olde City and SOHO look very much alike.
Philadelphia also has a much larger Eastern European population than Boston, which makes Philadelphia more similar to NYC.
NetCost is a Russian Grocery store like H Mart (large ethnic chain), based in NYC and has two Philadelphia locations.
Yes. No doubt Chicago has an impressive Chinatown.
Boston also has a solid Chinatown.
Philadelphia definitely edges out Boston's chinatown.
As another poster said. There are 5 H Mart's in Philadelphia metro. And only 2 in Boston.
That is quite significant. And all 5 in Metro Philadelphia are actually spaced out quite well in all diverse communities.
Tufts and the continuation of luxury residential development is eroding Boston's Chinatown. Similar to how D.C's Chinatown is now pretty much gone.
There is a major lack of continuity.
Philadelphia also has a Koreatown in Olney and a very large Vietnamese population. Although no clear designated neighborhood name, but mostly in South Philadelphia.
In terms of continuity of urban fabric.
Chicago inner loop looks the most similar to Manhattan.
But once you get to outer neighborhoods Philadelphia looks most like NYC.
Even places like Girard Estates in Philadelphia, look almost exactly the same as something you would find in Queens, NY.
Northern Liberties, Philadelphia and Williamsburg, NY.
Basically look the same.
Rittenhouse looks like, the West Village.
Olde City and SOHO look very much alike.
Philadelphia also has a much larger Eastern European population than Boston, which makes Philadelphia more similar to NYC.
NetCost is a Russian Grocery store like H Mart (large ethnic chain), based in NYC and has two Philadelphia locations.
Boston posters contested this idea and offered actually demographic data to support our claim. The Chinatown is being added to-its rowing, not seeing a decline in Asian culture or people though. Youre acting like tufts is actively expanding in Chinatown-its not, It was for decades but its not. Its also institutional not really a cultural force. And its transplant residents don't (can't) stay there to raise families. We provided data to support this as well. There are Asian developers planning affordable housing towers in Chinatown as are others. So it's a neighborhood close to downtown that can still support a lot of new affordable housing.
I really caution against this narrative where every ethnic minority is just a victim to everyone else whims. Oftentimes these communities have done tremendous work to be a real contributor to the development and betterment of their neighborhoods. And when that does happen it oughtto be acknowledged more often than it is.
Just a small sample of whats going on and has been going on in Chinatown:
"Row house preservation
The Chinatown Community Land Trust acquired two row houses in 2019, which will become seven affordable units permanently.
"78 Tyler Street
An empty building at 78 Tyler Street will become six affordable units. The Archdiocese of Boston has agreed to sell the former Maryknoll Sisters convent to the Chinese Economic Development Council (CEDC), said CEDC executive director Ed Chiang. Once the council obtains a loan, the sale of the four-story building is expected to go through in April.
"50 Herald Street
The current G-Mart at 50 Herald Street, owned by CCBA, is designated for affordable housing. A planned development area (PDA) between the CCBA and its abutters the Davis Companies (TDC) and the Boston Chinese Evangelical Church will add up to 536 units of housing to a commercial block. The 536 units include 138 units of market-rate housing at 100 Shawmut Avenue developed by TDC; up to 313 affordable housing units will be at 50 Herald Street, with another 84 housing units at the church. CCBA has put out a request for proposals to developers for 50 Herald Street, Chu said."
Tunney Lee, a professor of architecture and urban studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said he sees Chinatown maintaining its ethnic and economic character well into the future. "Immigration is still strong and keeping Chinatown vibrant." This can make the culture and liveliness of Chinatown return. These types of housing projects aim to solve the issues of affordability and gentrification, which would keep pushing out Asian residents. Tunney Lee also said, "The various developments now under way in the area, while welcome and a sign of economic vitality, are putting pressures on the neighborhood and will lead to an influx of more non-Asian residents." Lee added. “But I think the number of Asian-Americans will stay constant as the total population goes up
(And fwiw we established Boston is more Vietnamese than Philly)
Last edited by BostonBornMassMade; 12-11-2020 at 03:46 PM..
Boston posters contested this idea and offered actually demographic data to support our claim. The Chinatown is being added to-its rowing, not seeing a decline in Asian culture or people though. Youre acting like tufts is actively expanding in Chinatown-its not, It was for decades but its not. Its also institutional not really a cultural force. And its transplant residents don't (can't) stay there to raise families. We provided data to support this as well. There are Asian developers planning affordable housing towers in Chinatown as are others. So it's a neighborhood close to downtown that can still support a lot of new affordable housing.
I really caution against this narrative where every ethnic minority is just a victim to everyone else whims. Oftentimes these communities have done tremendous work to be a real contributor to the development and betterment of their neighborhoods. And when that does happen it oughtto be acknowledged more often than it is.
Just a small sample of whats going on and has been going on in Chinatown:
"Row house preservation
The Chinatown Community Land Trust acquired two row houses in 2019, which will become seven affordable units permanently.
"78 Tyler Street
An empty building at 78 Tyler Street will become six affordable units. The Archdiocese of Boston has agreed to sell the former Maryknoll Sisters convent to the Chinese Economic Development Council (CEDC), said CEDC executive director Ed Chiang. Once the council obtains a loan, the sale of the four-story building is expected to go through in April.
"50 Herald Street
The current G-Mart at 50 Herald Street, owned by CCBA, is designated for affordable housing. A planned development area (PDA) between the CCBA and its abutters the Davis Companies (TDC) and the Boston Chinese Evangelical Church will add up to 536 units of housing to a commercial block. The 536 units include 138 units of market-rate housing at 100 Shawmut Avenue developed by TDC; up to 313 affordable housing units will be at 50 Herald Street, with another 84 housing units at the church. CCBA has put out a request for proposals to developers for 50 Herald Street, Chu said."
Tunney Lee, a professor of architecture and urban studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said he sees Chinatown maintaining its ethnic and economic character well into the future. "Immigration is still strong and keeping Chinatown vibrant." This can make the culture and liveliness of Chinatown return. These types of housing projects aim to solve the issues of affordability and gentrification, which would keep pushing out Asian residents. Tunney Lee also said, "The various developments now under way in the area, while welcome and a sign of economic vitality, are putting pressures on the neighborhood and will lead to an influx of more non-Asian residents." Lee added. “But I think the number of Asian-Americans will stay constant as the total population goes up
(And fwiw we established Boston is more Vietnamese than Philly)
You continue to laminate on the chinatown comparison.
I have agreed and said Boston has a solid Chinatown.
It also is 100% gentrifying with luxury apartments in its district.
Philadelphia's chinatown is not. At all on any level.
Boston doesn't have an Italian Market that knows of-just has the North End. Which has a real authentic market I'm not too fond of but I wouldn't call it Italian more so recent immigrants, confused tourists and some savvy locals.
Demographically NYC is more similar to Boston than Philly. The parallels there are obvious. Demographically it's Boston or Chicago. Philly is far too African American (41% compared to 22% in NYC and 23% in Boston) and not West Indian, Dominican, or Chinese enough. Especially not West Indian enough. Lacks Portuguese/Brazillian influence too.
Boston doesn't have an Italian Market that knows of-just has the North End. Which has a real authentic market I'm not too fond of but I wouldn't call it Italian more so recent immigrants, confused tourists and some savvy locals.
Demographically NYC is more similar to Boston than Philly. The parallels there are obvious. Demographically it's Boston or Chicago. Philly is far too African American (41% compared to 22% in NYC and 23% in Boston) and not West Indian, Dominican, or Chinese enough. Especially not West Indian enough. Lacks Portuguese/Brazillian influence too.
Again, you said you have never been to Philadelphia's chinatown so you are quoting articles you have no idea what the context even is.
The North Chinatown tower actually is a huge resemblance of how strong the Chinatown community is in Philadelphia.
It is in the northern part of Philadelphia's chinatown, and is the home to a new Chinatown community center.
It is not an expensive luxury apartment high-rise at all.
The tower was financed and paid for by the Chinatown district in Philadelphia. Not private developers looking to gentrify the neighborhood.
Philadelphia has more Brazilians, Asians, Blacks, Indians than all of Boston. NYC immigrants are moving to Northeast Philadelphia in droves the past 5 years, because NYC is so expensive and Philadelphia is so close.
Boston is a bit too far north and removed and also too expensive.
Again, you said you have never been to Philadelphia's chinatown so you are quoting articles you have no idea what the context even is.
The North Chinatown tower actually is a huge resemblance of how strong the Chinatown community is in Philadelphia.
It is in the northern part of Philadelphia's chinatown, and is the home to a new Chinatown community center.
It is not an expensive luxury apartment high-rise at all.
The tower was financed and paid for by the Chinatown district in Philadelphia. Not private developers looking to gentrify the neighborhood.
Just like the multiple examples gave you in Boston you clearly didn't look at?
So because you've been to Boston's Chinatown you're the authority on its gentrification trajectory rather than the individual who has spent much time in and around Chinatown for years? Nonsense.
You're choosing to believe what you want to believe which is your prerogative the issue is you're presenting it as fact without any supporting evidence. To add to that, you are fully just ignoring contradictory evidence entirely.
That is 100% false. You have never stepped foot in Philadelphia's chinatown if that is what you are quoting.
I’m quoting data from a non-biased site. Go back and look at my post. I’m not going to bother reposting the link.
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