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View Poll Results: Which city offers the best institutions of higher education?
Bay Area 46 50.55%
NYC 45 49.45%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Bay Area, hands down.....

one word.... STANFORD
As opposed to Columbia which also does very well for itself and is highly-regarded? Really?
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:04 AM
 
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As opposed to Columbia which also does very well for itself and is highly-regarded? Really?
Yes, Columbia is better than Stanford, IMO; Stanford certainly isn't "better" than Columbia, but maybe it is equal or on level with Columbia.

Also, if UC Davis is going to be "Bay Area" for this comparison, then Rutgers would count for NYC.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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Bay Area, hands down.....

one word.... STANFORD
Well, if we're talking CSAs, then NY has Columbia, Princeton, Yale and NYU all ranking very high as far as grad schoos.

The Bay Area has Stanford and Berkeley

still, the competition at the highest level is actually pretty impressive.

US News and World Report 2009 Ranking of Graduate Schools

Red: New York
Blue: San Francisco


Best Business Schools
1-tied Harvard
1-tied Stanford
3 U. of Pennsylvania(Wharton)*Wharton has a SF Campus
4-tie MIT(Sloan)
4-tie Northwestern(Kellogg)
7-tie Dartmouth(Tuck)
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley(Haas)
9 Columbia
10 NYU(Stern)

11 U. of California, Los Angeles(Anderson)
12 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor(Ross)
13 Yale
14-tie Cornell(Johnson)
14-tie Duke(Fuqua)
14-tie U. of Virginia(Darden)

Best Law Schools
1 Yale
2-tie Harvard
2-tie Stanford
4 Columbia
5 NYU

6 U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Chicago
7-tie U. of Pennsylvania
9-tie Northwestern
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
9-tie U. of Virginia
12 Cornell
14 Georgetown
15 Vanderbilt

Best Medical Schools
1 Harvard
2 Johns Hopkins
3 Washington U. in St. Louis
4 U. of Pennsylvania
5 U. of California, San Francisco
6-tie Duke
6-tie U. of Washington
8 Stanford
9-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
9-tie Yale
11-tie Columbia
11-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 Baylor
14-tie U. of California, San Diego
14-tie U. of Pittsburgh

Best Engineering Schools
1 MIT
2 Stanford
3 U. of California, Berkeley

4 Georgia Tech
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6 Cal Tech
7 Carnegie Mellon
8 U. of California, Los Angeles(Viterbi)
9-tie Cornell
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
11 U. of California, San Diego
13-tie Texas A&M
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles(Samueli)
15-tie Purdue
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Education Schools
1 Stanford
2 Vanderbilt
3 U. of California, Los Angeles
4 Columbia
5 U. of Oregon
6 Harvard
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Washington
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
10-tie U. of Pennsylvania
10-tie U. of Texas, Austin
12-tie Northwestern
12-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
14-tie Michigan State U.
14-tie NYU

Best Biological Sciences Schools
1 Stanford
2-tie MIT
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4-tie Cal Tech
4-tie Harvard
6 Johns Hopkins
7-tie Rockefeller U.
7-tie Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of California, San Francisco
7-tie Yale
12-tie Cornell
12-tie Duke
12-tie Princeton
15-tie Columbia

15-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Chemistry Schools
1-tie Cal Tech
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley

5 Harvard
6 Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
7-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
9-tie Cornell
9-tie Northwestern
11 Columbia
12-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
12-tie U. of Chicago
12-tie U. of Texas, Austin
15 Yale

Best Computer Science Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley

4 Carnegie Mellon U.
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6-tie Cornell
6-tie Princeton
6-tie U. of Washington
9-tie Georgia Tech
9-tie U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Cal Tech
11-tie U. of Wisonsin, Madison
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Best Earth Science Schools
1 Cal Tech
2-tie MIT
2-tie Stanford
4 U. of California, Berkeley

5-tie Columbia
5-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
7 Pennsylvania State U., University Park
8 U. of Arizona
9 Harvard
9 U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Princeton
11-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
11-tie U. of Washington
11-tie Yale
15-tie Cornell
15-tie U. of California, San Diego
15-tie U. of Chicago
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Mathematics Schools
1 Princeton
2-tie Harvard
2-tie-MIT
2-tie Stanford
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley

6 U. Of Chicago
7-tie Cal Tech
7-tie Yale
9-tie Columbia
9-tie NYU

9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 U. of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell
14-tie Brown
14-tie U. of Texas, Austin
14-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Physics Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
3-tie Cal Tech
3-tie Harvard
3-tie Princeton
3-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7 Cornell
8-tie U. of Chicago
8-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
10 U. of California, Santa Barbara
11-tie Columbia
11-tie Yale

13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
13-tie U. of Pennsylvania

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Old 01-27-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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Also, if UC Davis is going to be "Bay Area" for this comparison, then Rutgers would count for NYC.
UC Davis is not located in the Bay Area. I don't count it as a Bay Area school but rather a Sacramento Area school.

Even though it sits right on the borderline between the Bay Area and Sacramento.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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As a recent college graduate, at the undergrad level I can't really see the difference between the education you would get at a school like Berkeley or Stanford, to one you would get at Columbia or NYU. Before someone comes in and ruins the thread with some rant about Stanford's ability to churn out the top 0.05% of wage earners in the country (even though the chances of that at Stanford are slim), I'd like an objective comparison AT THE UNDERGRAD level.

At the graduate level, its kind of a blowout considering the Bay Area's relative size to the New York Metro Area(using US News Rankings)
Best Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report

Rankings - Best Business Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
2. Stanford
7. Berkeley
9. Columbia
11. NYU (Stern)

Rankings - Best Engineering Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
2. Stanford
3. Berkeley
18. Princeton
21. Columbia

Best Law Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU

6. Berkeley

Research Rankings - Best Medical Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
5. UCSF
6. Stanford
10. Columbia
22. Mount Sinai


Rankings - Biological Sciences - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
1. Stanford
2. Berkeley
7. UCSF
7. Rockefeller University
12. Princeton
15. Columbia


http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-history-schools/rankings
1. Princeton
1. Stanford
1. Berkeley
7. Columbia
17. NYU

There are more graduate school rankings on the US News Websites, but in 35/36 programs, Berkeley and Stanford are in the top 10. Not bad, eh?

On the whole, I don't like ranking schools because its hard to quantify which factors matter and which ones don't (at the undergrad level, US News GREATLY underranks UC Berkeley, but I digress...) but US News is the most reputable source at this point about how schools are ranked. The US has a really big Ivy League obssesssion, which doesn't correlate in total how many good schools there are in this country. The US is so lucky to have many of them, no matter whether it be in the Bay Area (Berkeley, Stanford, UCSF), LA (UCLA, USC), Chicago (Northwestern, University of Chicago), or the Northeast (all the Ivy Leagues + John Hopkins + NYU).

Where you go to undergrad has some correlation to earning power later in life, but it's not the end all. Since more and more people are getting professional degrees nowadays (PhDs, JD, MD, MBA), I'd argue that matters a bit more since a higher and higher number of people are getting BA's nowadays. Anyways, just wanted to shed light on some of the rankings.

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UC Davis is not located in the Bay Area. I don't count it as a Bay Area school but rather a Sacramento Area school.

Even though it sits right on the borderline between the Bay Area and Sacramento.
I think most people in the Bay Area consider UC Davis to be Sacramento area, even if the campus itself is technically in Solano County (SF CSA, weird, eh?) while the rest of the town is in Yolo County (Sacramento CSA). On the whole though, its only 15 minutes to West Sacramento, and around 30 minutes to where you actually begin hearing Bay Area radio and see Bay Area news stations at Fairfield.

One more thing.....GO BEARS! (Don't tell anyone I defended Stanford in this thread =P I'd get eaten alive!)
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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Yes, Columbia is better than Stanford, IMO; Stanford certainly isn't "better" than Columbia, but maybe it is equal or on level with Columbia.

Also, if UC Davis is going to be "Bay Area" for this comparison, then Rutgers would count for NYC.
Including Rutgers would lower NY's credibility....

Looking at Montclairs post, my point stands.... YES, Stanford is a superior school to Columbia
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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NY, it has a lot more higher ed options.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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Yes, Columbia is better than Stanford, IMO; Stanford certainly isn't "better" than Columbia, but maybe it is equal or on level with Columbia.

Also, if UC Davis is going to be "Bay Area" for this comparison, then Rutgers would count for NYC.

Don't forget, there's also NYU.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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As far as educational attainment, SF edges out NY.

Adults Age 25+/ Bachelor Degrees

New York CSA.....20.6%
San Francisco CSA.....24.7%

Adults Age 25+/ Graduate Degree
New York CSA.....14.6%
San Francisco CSA.....16.5%

Adults Age 25+/ Bachelor's Degree or Higher

New York CSA.....35.2%
San Francisco CSA.....41.2%



Their foreign born populations also have above average educational attainment levels. And that's pretty cool.

Foreign Born Adults Age 25+/Bachelor's Degree

New York CSA 918,515.....18.3%
San Francisco CSA 411,473.....21.8%

Foreign Born Adults Age 25+/ Graduate Degree

New York CSA 601,569.....12.0%
San Francisco CSA 292,537.....15.5%

Foreign Born Adults Age 25+/ Bachelor's Degree or Higher

New York CSA 1,520,084...30.4%
San Francisco CSA 704,010...37.3%


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Old 01-27-2010, 10:02 AM
 
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Don't forget, there's also NYU.

And Bay area has Cal Berkeley which is better than NYU....

Bay area is 2nd best after Boston for higher education.... NYC is maybe 5th at best
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