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i get what kony is saying.
you're going to take the main attraction of our city away and compare the rest of the city to a city specifically designed to be a main attraction. that comparison isn't really fair.
with that said, i don't think that the top 25 list is really "fair" in this discussion. MANY ppl from around the world don't even step foot in the outer boroughs because of manhattan. this doesn't mean that the outer boroughs don't have attractions just as good as or better than what you'd find in manhattan or jersey city, atlantic city, etc.
manhattan is real powerful when it comes to this topic, the list, ppl's idea of ny, etc.
i do think that the boroughs have more to offer than casinos. i think most would agree on that. i do think that a lot of ppl miss out on experiences when they don't step foot out of manhattan when they visit nyc. the essence of ny is in the other boroughs, to be honest. the real nyc experience starts in the other boroughs IMO.
i get what kony is saying.
you're going to take the main attraction of our city away and compare the rest of the city to a city specifically designed to be a main attraction. that comparison isn't really fair.
with that said, i don't think that the top 25 list is really "fair" in this discussion. MANY ppl from around the world don't even step foot in the outer boroughs because of manhattan. this doesn't mean that the outer boroughs don't have attractions just as good as or better than what you'd find in manhattan or jersey city, atlantic city, etc.
manhattan is real powerful when it comes to this topic, the list, ppl's idea of ny, etc.
i do think that the boroughs have more to offer than casinos. i think most would agree on that.
Exactly.
The boroughs DO have more to offer than casinos...so does AC b/c it ISN'T all casinos...
i get what kony is saying.
you're going to take the main attraction of our city away and compare the rest of the city to a city specifically designed to be a main attraction. that comparison isn't really fair.
with that said, i don't think that the top 25 list is really "fair" in this discussion. MANY ppl from around the world don't even step foot in the outer boroughs because of manhattan. this doesn't mean that the outer boroughs don't have attractions just as good as or better than what you'd find in manhattan or jersey city, atlantic city, etc.
manhattan is real powerful when it comes to this topic, the list, ppl's idea of ny, etc.
i do think that the boroughs have more to offer than casinos. i think most would agree on that. i do think that a lot of ppl miss out on experiences when they don't step foot out of manhattan when they visit nyc. the essence of ny is in the other boroughs, to be honest. the real nyc experience starts in the other boroughs IMO.
Atlantic city is jersey's main Tourist attraction. The attractions in the boroughs are spread out. I didnt say there was one single attraction in the bronx or brooklyn that can beat it. I was just making a point that the boroughs attract millions. The fact that the boroughs are more culturally relevent is another thing
Manhattan takes out jersey's main attraction. What you have left goes against the boroughs
Atlantic city is jersey's main Tourist attraction. The attractions in the boroughs are spread out. I didnt say there was one single attraction in the bronx or brooklyn that can beat it. I was just making a point that the boroughs attract millions. The fact that the boroughs are more culturally relevent is another thing
Manhattan takes out jersey's main attraction. What you have left goes against the boroughs
Forget the outer-boroughs individually...the outer-boroughs COMBINED don't take out Atlantic City OR the Delaware Water Gap.
Yes, Manhattan is number one on the list, that was never in dispute but you can cling to it if you want to though b/c the outer-boroughs alone aren't enough.
Outer boroughs more: character (pure opinion) more swagger (pure opinion) more relevance (definitely opinion). All opinions backed by nothing. If you were from TX you would defend it just as hard.
character because that is the REAL ny experience. the real experience is getting up in the morning, getting some breakfast along the way to work, getting on the train, going into the city and going to work.
none of this oh i live in manhattan, apple cinnamon raisin granola bar eating while i walk the poodle, yoga practicing CRAP you see on tv.
the accent, the swagger, the personality, all of that is from bronx, queens, brooklyn, and certain areas in manhattan, IMHO. the ppl you see on tv or the movies that are from ny, they are from the other boroughs 9 times out of 10. the accents that ppl cling to, the swagger, the expressions, etc. are outer borough.
oh you like that style? you like the way we dress? you like our work ethic? thats outer borough.
you like how we carry ourselves with dignity, how we don't take no for an answer, how we find a way when there seemingly is no way? how we're known not to take anything from anyone?
thats us.
we are relevant because we are. the facts are out there. WE had kids in cali breakdancing and trying to spit verses. WE have kids in tx with yankee fitteds on. WE are responsible for your screw tapes because without us there is no you. no paul walls, no swisha houses, no scarfaces (who was on def jam started by who? yeah, thats right a person from queens), no snoops, no pacs (a nyer), none of that. no nwa's, no dres, etc.
can't act like the world wasn't fascinated by movements that started here. WITHOUT manhattan.
you can't act like ppl don't like those 27 championships from a bronx team. can't act like ppl weren't captivated by wu tang, from staten island. wu tang has kids from kosovo calling each other Gods and asking what today's math is.
we are relevant, like it or not.
nobody really cares about jersey either. i'm sorry. atlantic city is the east coast las vegas. but then what? what???
no, we don't have another manhattan in nyc, although brooklyn could be in the far future, but we are like 5 different cities in one. each can hold their own. bring on your casinos, we have baseball teams, we have parks, we have attractions. we have ethnic enclaves.
BUT we are in close proximity to manhattan so ppl might not see them.
character because that is the REAL ny experience. the real experience is getting up in the morning, getting some breakfast along the way to work, getting on the train, going into the city and going to work.
none of this oh i live in manhattan, apple cinnamon raisin granola bar eating while i walk the poodle, yoga practicing CRAP you see on tv.
the accent, the swagger, the personality, all of that is from bronx, queens, brooklyn, and certain areas in manhattan, IMHO. the ppl you see on tv or the movies that are from ny, they are from the other boroughs 9 times out of 10. the accents that ppl cling to, the swagger, the expressions, etc. are outer borough.
oh you like that style? you like the way we dress? you like our work ethic? thats outer borough.
you like how we carry ourselves with dignity, how we don't take no for an answer, how we find a way when there seemingly is no way? how we're known not to take anything from anyone?
thats us.
we are relevant because we are. the facts are out there. WE had kids in cali breakdancing and trying to spit verses. WE have kids in tx with yankee fitteds on. WE are responsible for your screw tapes because without us there is no you. no paul walls, no swisha houses, no scarfaces (who was on def jam started by who? yeah, thats right a person from queens), no snoops, no pacs (a nyer), none of that. no nwa's, no dres, etc.
can't act like the world wasn't fascinated by movements that started here. WITHOUT manhattan.
you can't act like ppl don't like those 27 championships from a bronx team. can't act like ppl weren't captivated by wu tang, from staten island. wu tang has kids from kosovo calling each other Gods and asking what today's math is.
we are relevant, like it or not.
nobody really cares about jersey either. i'm sorry. atlantic city is the east coast las vegas. but then what? what???
no, we don't have another manhattan in nyc, although brooklyn could be in the far future, but we are like 5 different cities in one. each can hold their own. bring on your casinos, we have baseball teams, we have parks, we have attractions. we have ethnic enclaves.
BUT we are in close proximity to manhattan so ppl might not see them.
whats you guys excuse????
LOL apparently no one really cares about the outer-boroughs either. You said yourself: Many ppl outside of NYC don't go to the outer-boroughs.
Don't be sorry about AC being an 'east coast' Vegas, we get our visitors lol. And AC's only 50 odd miles from NYC
How 'bout them outer-boroughs? What's your excuse?
Forget the outer-boroughs individually...the outer-boroughs COMBINED don't take out Atlantic City OR the Delaware Water Gap.
Yes, Manhattan is number one on the list, that was never in dispute but you can cling to it if you want to though b/c the outer-boroughs alone aren't enough.
IMO queens, brooklyn and although i'm not as familiar with the bronx as the other two, IMO these three individually could take on either atlantic city or the Delaware water gap.
do you know how large queens is and how many things there are that a person could do here?
queens, if it were its own city, would be the 3 or 4th largest city in america. brooklyn would be the 3rd, iirc.
and we're about to take the nets from jersey. so...??
i mean i guess you could say you have the giants and the jets...
Ah, see, what you're overlooking is that people outside of NYC do not really visit the places you list. They likely do not know that they exist.
Secondly, people that go to ball games at Yankee Stadium or Citi Field, generally do NOT explore the neighborhoods that these venues reside in, nor invest in the neighborhood. Essentially the fans are spending money in the stadium, and that's it. That's hardly "visiting an area", and it certainly isn't adding much to the neighborhood aside from traffic!
And you are saying you used to live in New York??? You forget that the boros are actually counties... They are too big to be just residential or just commercial areas. Of course there is industry in Queens, the Bronx and Long Island. Come visit. You say that people visiting Yankee Stadium do not explore the neighborhoods, does that mean that poeple visiting Atlantic City or Delaware Water Gap do? Even Atlantic City outside of the casino district/Boardwalk is mostly unintenresting dump...
C'mon now. We are talking about cultural significance and all you guys can come up with for the entire state of New Jersey is the casinos of the Atlantic City and Delaware River Gap recreation area? How relevant culturally those areas are? To whom? You were already told that Queens hosts two major movie studios, the Bronx is an incubator of contemporary culture as in hip-hop and I can tell you that Brooklyn's Park Slope is home to many more writers than any neighborhood of New Jersey. You guys are pathetic and to make it worse oblivious to the fact.
More recently, Brooklyn-born author Jonathan Lethem has written several books about growing up in the borough, including Motherless Brooklyn and The Fortress of Solitude. The neighborhood of Park Slope is home to many contemporary writers, including Jonathan Safran Foer, Jhumpa Lahiri, Jonathan Franzen, Rick Moody, Jennifer Egan, Kathryn Harrison, Paul Auster, Franco Ambriz, Nicole Krauss, Colson Whitehead, Darin Strauss, Siri Hustvedt and Suketu Mehta, among others. The Discovery Kids show Time Warp Trio is also set in Brooklyn. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn#CultureBud]Brooklyn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url],
Hey, Bud, even if you actually grew up in New York, please do us a favor: don't mention that fact to anybody, OK?
Forget the outer-boroughs individually...the outer-boroughs COMBINED don't take out Atlantic City OR the Delaware Water Gap.
Yes, Manhattan is number one on the list, that was never in dispute but you can cling to it if you want to though b/c the outer-boroughs alone aren't enough.
The intial topic was over who was more culturally relevent. Atlantic city does not make new jersey more culturally relevent than the boroughs first of all. The bronx and brooklyn have more of a relevent presence than Ac.
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but you can cling to it if you want to though b/c the outer-boroughs alone aren't enough.
, we get our visitors lol. And AC's only 50 odd miles from NYC