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View Poll Results: D.C. vs. Chicago
D.C. 153 41.35%
Chicago 217 58.65%
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Originally Posted by DC's Finest View Post
The drivel you posted doesn't address anything I posted. I didn't say GTown was better just more well known by the masses. Most people don't know anything about the U of C! How would they know anything about it unless they are nerds. Georgetown U is famous for being in one of the most chic and upscale neighborhoods on the East Coast once home of the Kennedy's, media moguls, famous politicians, international newsmakers, Alumni Bill Clinton and the setting of famous movies like the Exorcist. And of course it's Bball team.

If I didn't get a 1600 on my SAT, how would I know about the U of C?
I am telling you Georgetown is relatively unheard of abroad compared to U of C. Not just in terms of being a more desirable college (which it is), but in terms of people having even heard of it in the first place. Your inclusion of DePaul is ridiculous. The only setting I can see where Georgetown is unequivocally more popular is in college sports which is basically nothing to people outside of the US, and for the US just a subset of the population. U of C in my experience has generally been more well known (except for those exceptions mentioned, of course).

I think 1500s are pretty acceptable. Also, SATs are on a 2400 point system now.

It sounds like you're in a bubble. You live in or around DC, and possibly even born and raised there. Maybe you should consider living in a few other places.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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Translation: size intimidates you. Typical for a small towner like you.
LOL, DC is getting slapped around in this thread, let's just call Chicago the unanimous winner and close this thread.
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by DC's Finest View Post
I know Chicago very well and it gets suburban very quickly.
Population Weighted Density from City Hall:

1 Mile:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 30,710
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 24,858

3 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 22,867
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 12,696

5 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 23,442
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 10,488

10 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 9,399
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,306

15 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 5,041
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,424

20 Miles:

Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,751
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,561

25 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 3,606
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,390

30 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 2,390
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,186

35 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,888
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 300
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider View Post
Population Weighted Density from City Hall:

1 Mile:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 30,710
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 24,858

3 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 22,867
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 12,696

5 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 23,442
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 10,488

10 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 9,399
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,306

15 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 5,041
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,424

20 Miles:

Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,751
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,561

25 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 3,606
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,390

30 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 2,390
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,186

35 Miles:

Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,888
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 300

D.C.'s core is pretty dense.

City Hall Density

0-1 Mile
D.C.: 32,199 people per square mile
Chicago: 30,240 people per square mile

1-2 Mile
D.C.: 24,858 people per square mile
Chicago: 30,710 people per square mile

2-3 Mile
D.C.: 23,911 people per square mile
Chicago: 21,981 people per square mile


Metro Area Density Moving Outward From City Hall
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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D.C.'s core is pretty dense.

City Hall Density

0-1 Mile
D.C.: 32,199 people per square mile
Chicago: 30,240 people per square mile

1-2 Mile
D.C.: 24,858 people per square mile
Chicago: 30,710 people per square mile

2-3 Mile
D.C.: 23,911 people per square mile
Chicago: 21,981 people per square mile


Metro Area Density Moving Outward From City Hall
And after 3 miles, there's a steep drop off for DC whereas Chicago maintains its density much longer. But, curiously, Chicago is the one getting labeled as becoming suburban so fast...
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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And after 3 miles, there's a steep drop off for DC whereas Chicago maintains its density much longer. But, curiously, Chicago is the one getting labeled as becoming suburban so fast...
Chicago is ahead at 1 mile and at 3 miles where DC drops off steeply. It's funny that the other poster said that Chicago turns suburban quickly when it's actually the opposite that's true. DC turns low density quickly. The core is very small. Even at 35 miles Chicago's weighted density is 15 times more than DC's.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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Funny that you said PCH_CDM should be banned for being so misinformed. I am sure many folks do agree that you're one of the misinformed boosters at C-D. Does that mean you should be banned as well?

Again, prestigious institution like Univ. of London, Univ. of Chicago, Sorbone or Cal. Tech does not need celebrities or basketball programs to be known worldwide. They are still among the best of the best globally and that's what matters most.

You better compare Georgetown Univ. (#183) to Univ. of Illinois at Chicago (#180). That's more like a fair comparison.

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You should be banned for being so misinformed!

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Old 07-24-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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And after 3 miles, there's a steep drop off for DC whereas Chicago maintains its density much longer. But, curiously, Chicago is the one getting labeled as becoming suburban so fast...

The label of being suburban by DCFinest has nothing to do with population density. It has to do with the built environment. He was referring to the lack of street wall that exists in Chicago compared to row house cities. This conversation went on for pages with posters from L.A. also who thought having a bunch of people while not maintaining a street wall still made an area urban. It does not though. Buildings without gaps with zero lot development is the highest level of urbanity in the world. You see this in Paris etc. Parking lots, spaces between buildings, and too much open space lacks urbanity in the built form. I think that is what DCFinest was trying to say.

There are levels of urbanity:

1. Buildings that come up to the street and form a street wall with a grid (e.g. The Loop, Midtown Manhattan, Downtown DC, Downtown San Fran, Center City, etc. etc.)

2. Row houses/Brownstones (e.g. D.C. row houses/Philly row houses/New York Brownstones/Boston Backbay, etc. etc. etc.)

3. Detached town houses/apartment buildings (e.g. Chicago, San Fran, etc. etc. )

4. Detached Single Family Homes
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The label of being suburban by DCFinest has nothing to do with population density. It has to do with the built environment. He was referring to the lack of street wall that exists in Chicago compared to row house cities. This conversation went on for pages with posters from L.A. also who thought having a bunch of people while not maintaining a street wall still made an area urban. It does not though. Buildings without gaps with zero lot development is the highest level of urbanity in the world. You see this in Paris etc. Parking lots, spaces between buildings, and too much open space lacks urbanity in the built form. I think that is what DCFinest was trying to say.

There are levels of urbanity:

1. Buildings that come up to the street and form a street wall with a grid (e.g. The Loop, Midtown Manhattan, Downtown DC, Downtown San Fran, Center City, etc. etc.)

2. Row houses/Brownstones (e.g. D.C. row houses/Philly row houses/New York Brownstones/Boston Backbay, etc. etc. etc.)

3. Detached town houses/apartment buildings (e.g. Chicago, San Fran, etc. etc. )

4. Detached Single Family Homes
In my opinion, a "streetwall" does not equate to urbanity. A "streetwall" without any people is just a desolate "streetwall."
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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In my opinion, a "streetwall" does not equate to urbanity. A "streetwall" without any people is just a desolate "streetwall."

True, which is why it's the combination of the two. Are we talking about a street wall without people? We are talking about D.C. and Chicago which both are bustling cities. One just so happens to be defined by street walls across it while the other for no fault of its own was designed without it. NE cities were built different. They are more European in their design.
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