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View Poll Results: D.C. vs. Chicago
D.C. 153 41.35%
Chicago 217 58.65%
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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You think SF has an "urban island effect?"
No, I think it's more like DC. It's pretty built out and cohesive and flows directly into neighborhoods.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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Chicago wins the weather category. DC's summers resemble something out of a swamp..
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Chicago wins the weather category. DC's summers resemble something out of a swamp..
Well, summer's are cooler in Chicago, DC has warmer and earlier springs with warmer falls and noticeably milder winters (bigger difference than the summers in both cities.) What is better is just a personal preference.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Some. If you're driving north on North Capitol Street (named such because it intersects with the U.S. Capitol Building), it can get grim pretty quickly.

These lots were used for Megabus. Now they're used for daytime parking (and serve as refuges for the homeless).

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...12,210.71,,0,0

Entering DC on New York Avenue is just terrible. There's some development going on in this area, but for the most part, it still looks pretty crappy.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...12,355.47,,0,0

This area is kind of garbage-y as well. That crane you see in the streetview is the site of the new Walmart. But it's supposed to be this urban-type, mixed-use development Walmart. The residential building actually looks pretty good, imo.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...=12,37.71,,0,0

The general area around Judiciary Square is probably the worst area of Central DC (though Walkscore considers it one of the city's most walkable areas...even more walkable than U Street, Adams-Morgan, Columbia Heights and Georgetown) . Then you still have a couple of patches nearby that are a bit sketch, but have improved a bit with recent condo construction.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...12,245.43,,0,0
These are all spoken for as I mentioned above.

Infact, there is a crane up in the North Capitol St. parking lots now with a 9 story tower being built there. That is apart of this JairLynch mixed use development which will include 1,600 units. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...xVEelgwk7tXa8w The crane went up 3 weeks ago.

There is a 14 story Hyatt Hotel being built on New York Ave. which is apart of this JBG mixed use development DCmud - The Urban Real Estate Digest of Washington DC: NoMa's Capitol Square Hotel to Break Ground This Summer.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:26 PM
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No, I think it's more like DC. It's pretty built out and cohesive and flows directly into neighborhoods.
and then followed by water rather than auto-oriented neighborhoods. Or this not that far away:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Conze...86.98,,0,-0.79

About 9-10 road miles from downtown. Terrible urbanity near an urban city.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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and then followed by water rather than auto-oriented neighborhoods. Or this not that far away:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Conze...86.98,,0,-0.79

About 9-10 road miles from downtown. Terrible urbanity near an urban city.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about gaps IN downtown and directly around DT cores that are supposed to be in a city yet are auto oriented with a suburban build style. Having bunched up space, with others not built upon at all is a benefit. It forces the built upon area to densify stucturally at a quicker place. When there is more land, companies can twiddle their thumbs and choose to build anywhere.
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Chicago wins the weather category. DC's summers resemble something out of a swamp..
I'm the opposite, I prefer summer sweaty swamps over harsh snowy winters =( So i'd pick DC over Cago weather wise.
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about gaps IN downtown and directly around DT cores that are supposed to be in a city yet are auto oriented with a suburban build style. Having bunched up space, with others not built upon at all is a benefit. It forces the built upon area to densify stucturally at a quicker place. When there is more land, companies can twiddle their thumbs and choose to build anywhere.
I hate when people say Chicago is suburban cause it's not. Is it more suburban, than NYC, SF, DC or Philly? Yeah. But suburburan is not a a word I would not describe Chicago as.
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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Entering DC on New York Avenue is just terrible. There's some development going on in this area, but for the most part, it still looks pretty crappy.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...12,355.47,,0,0
Not only does it look bad, I cant believe there are no easier ways to get into DC from the NE side. I had to drive into DC for 3 months and the only way was to take NY Ave and with construction it took forever. IMO the worse way to get into a big city vs any other city in the US.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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I hate when people say Chicago is suburban cause it's not. Is it more suburban, than NYC, SF, DC or Philly? Yeah. But suburburan is not a a word I would not describe Chicago as.
They are built identical to big box formula stores you will find in the suburbs. Many streets in Chicago look identical to some of the suburbs. Even actual suburbs sometimes are more busy and dense (i.e. dt Evanston) than actual Chicago neighborhoods on NW/SW sides. These exist more so and closer in to the core than in NYC/DC/Philly/Boston/SF. I'm less familiar with Philly/Boston though...

This is in Lakeview a closer in northside neighborhood. A *lot* of the area in Lakeview looks like this once you get off the commercial corridors

http://goo.gl/maps/jhVzf

Is it really that different than Chicago's older inner ring suburbs like this? And have similar commercial corridors?
http://goo.gl/maps/peClm

2 blocks over looks like this
http://goo.gl/maps/Qp1dD

then again 2 more looks like this
http://goo.gl/maps/xE2Du
When you start getting 3 flats and courtyard buildings mixed in to it that help to push it to higher density that you won't find in the suburbs. To me, that is most of quintessential Chicago neighborhoods for the majority of the city.

I'll just do grocery stores around greater downtown, not even getting into main neighborhoods

This is a Dominicks a few blocks from the border of the loop
http://goo.gl/maps/7KefO

Here is another Dominicks one on the border of Near North on Division
http://goo.gl/maps/GV5Q2

If you go down North Ave, Clybourn, Ashland there are way more of these with even bigger parking lots, dozens of them, and that is just the Northside I'm talking about.

So, how is this not suburban big box formula style, exactly how you will find in most suburbs anywhere in the U.S.?

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