San Francisco VS Boston (living, best, state, better)

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

bwahaha both SF and Boston have regional economies in excess of $500B.

Toronto is closer to Seattle or Atlanta.

Fyi.

Yes I love the cop-out regional argument. You pretend you have both urbanity and economy, when in reality you've got a tiny city of 800k with 5 buildings over 200m tall and a bunch of sleepy suburbs an hour away where people produce the actual wealth - linking it all is some of the worst congestion in the world. And it's all yours for $5k/mo for a ****ty one bedroom! No wonder so many people want to leave.

And Boston is no better.

I'll stick to Seattle or Atlanta.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

Yes I love the cop-out regional argument. You pretend you have both urbanity and economy, when in reality you've got a tiny city of 800k with 5 buildings over 200m tall and a bunch of sleepy suburbs an hour away where people produce the actual wealth - linking it all is some of the worst congestion in the world.

And Boston is no better.

Haha no Boston is another area that performs way above it's population size, and far outproduces the Toronto Metro Area.

I'll stick to Seattle or Atlanta.

Of course, that's where you belong.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Haha no Boston is another area that performs way above it's population size, and far outproduces the Toronto Metro Area.


Of course, that's where you belong.

You're a fool if you think direct comparisons between GDP are relevant. But it's all you've got to peddle I suppose.

Toronto has suburbs with bigger skylines than Boston and Atlanta - despite your numbers. That's the definition of outperform.

[BlizzardsAndSuch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

You're a fool if you think direct comparisons between GDP are relevant. But it's all you've got to peddle I suppose.

Toronto has suburbs with bigger skylines than Boston and Atlanta - despite your numbers. That's the definition of outperform.

Today I learned performance means having suburbs with big skylines LOL

Canadians need to get their heads out of the clouds (or wherever)

Quit dreaming, Toronto out performing the Northeast Corridor or SF? That's like a Bill Burr level of comedic genius.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by BlizzardsAndSuch

Today I learned performance means having suburbs with big skylines LOL

Canadians need to get their heads out of the clouds (or wherever)

Quit dreaming, Toronto out performing the Northeast Corridor or SF? That's like a Bill Burr level of comedic genius.

Toronto is far more impressive than either the cities of San Francisco or Boston despite the on-paper GDP deficit. It's a league above and the gap grows wider every year.

It will take the other two cities 2 to 3 decades to become comparable.

And I live next to Seattle and comparing it to Toronto is like comparing the space needle to the CN Tower.

How you interpret all this is not my concern, nor is it the topic of this thread.

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Interesting, I feel like Boston really doesn't have great food. I always look forward to my trips to NYC for that reason. I would rate many cities higher than Boston in the food department, including many half the size of Boston.

I have to agree with the other guy: where and what in the world are you eating?

I was able to spend just a day in Boston about a month ago, and even after completely stuffing myself, I still felt that I hadn't been able to satisfy all the cravings I've had for the food there since moving to Europe.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

Toronto is far more impressive than either the cities of San Francisco or Boston despite the on-paper GDP deficit. It's a league above and the gap grows wider every year.

It will take the other two cities 2 to 3 decades to become comparable.

And I live next to Seattle and comparing it to Toronto is like comparing the space needle to the CN Tower.

How you interpret all this is not my concern, nor is it the topic of this thread.

Nor do your clear dreams of grandeur take anything away from this simple and undisputable fact:

2016 GDP:
San Francisco Bay CSA $821 Billion
Boston CSA $583 Billion
Ontario GDP $468 Billion*

*I had to lower my previous Ontario figure of $590 billion after I discovered the actual StatCan GDP stat(CAD$633.508 Billion × US $0.74= $468.795 Billion USD)

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...ataTable&csid=

Sorry boo.

[18Montclair]

Im into researching wealthy suburbs, from sophisticated urban cities all the way down to the small beachside villages or semirural towns.

Anyhow, both areas have lots...

Census 'Places' in each CSA with an Average Family Income of $150,000+, 2015 Census 5-year estimates.

Boston CSA:
Place/Average Family Income/Population
Dover, MA................$294,935.......2,441
Wellesley, MA..........$283,867....28,832
Hingham, MA..........$224,854.......5,416
Lexington, MA.........$224,123.....32,700
Winchester, MA......$219,963......22,075
South Duxbury, MA$217,413.......3,594
Newton, MA............$216,544.....87,685
Watch Hill, RI..........$206,018..........184
Needham, MA.........$205,957.....29,583
Topsfield, MA..........$198,210.......3,029
Duxbury, MA............$191,968.......1,375
Marion Center, MA.$190,996.......1,383
Cordaville, MA.........$187,785.......2,594
Belmont, MA............$185,744.....25,337
Brookline, MA..........$185,726.....59,132
Cochituate, MA.......$184,335........6,896
Medfield, MA............$175,877.......6,322
Boxford, MA.............$175,322.......2,366
Marblehead, MA......$169,532.....20,270
Monomoscoy, MA...$168,772.........169
Clayville, RI................$166,042........152
Sharon, MA...............$167,765......5,932
Milton, MA................$165,536.....27,303
Foster Center, RI......$164,007..........325
Swampscott, MA.....$163,269.....14,036
West Concord, MA..$162,824.......7,320
North Scituate, MA.$161,624.......5,077
Chatham, MA...........$161,106.......1,516
Amherst, NH............$160,455..........558
Lynnfield, MA...........$158,782......12,270
Reading, MA.............$155,832.....25,357
Sturbridge, MA.........$155,749.......2,515
Scituate, MA.............$154,413.......5,335
Essex, MA.................$153,868.......1,613
Groton, MA...............$152,654.......1,081
Andover, MA.............$152,416.......8,783
Cambridge, MA........$151,584...107,916
Franklin Town, MA..$151,333......32,731
Rockport, MA...........$150,149........4,846
Arlington, MA...........$150,324......44,128

Bay Area CSA:
Place/Average Family Income/Population
Atherton, CA............$493,794.........7,081
Portola Valley, CA...$442,987.........4,515
Woodside, CA..........$441,546.........5,579
Hillsborough, CA.....$391,914.......11,255
Los Altos Hills, CA..$368,066.........8,314
Belvedere, CA...........$354,010.........1,952
Monte Sereno, CA...$350,140.........3,508
Ladera, CA............ ...$341,864.........1,461
Kentfield, CA............$341,577.........6,813
Piedmont, CA..........$327,035.......11,099
Diablo, CA................$301,234............818
Ross, CA...................$299,042........2,306
Tiburon, CA..............$291,099........9,158
Norris Canyon, CA..$289,336.........1,003
Los Altos, CA...........$281,742......30,075
Sleepy Hollow, CA...$277,845........2,489
Orinda, CA................$276,272......18,703
Loyola, CA................$278,386........3,579
West Menlo Park, CA$269,982......5,479
Mill Valley, CA..........$266,290......14,293
North Gate, CA........$255,561...........534
Alamo, CA................$252,001.......16,301
Emerald Lake Hills, CA$251,130...4,495
Sausalito, CA...........$247,482........7,094
Saratoga, CA............$246,142......30,817
Reliez Valley, CA......$240,112........3,656
Menlo Park, CA.......$236,508......33,064
Blackhawk, CA .......$235,430.........9,304
Palo Alto, CA...........$233,056.......66,478
Stanford, CA............$226,911......14,213
Lafayette, CA...........$222,220......25,082
Moraga, CA..............$217,317.......16,787
Tamalpais, CA.........$216,875.......10,542
Camino Tassajara, CA.$216,728...2,247
Temelec, CA.............$213,627........1,543
Los Gatos, CA..........$213,079......30,398
San Miguel, CA........$209,980........3,366
Danville, CA..............$206,548......43,410
San Carlos, CA.........$205,228......29,454
Bodega Bay, CA.......$205,199...........212
Highlands, CA..........$204,364........4,217
Alto, CA.....................$203,628...........735
Silverado Resort, CA$202,534..........893
Shell Ridge, CA....... $197,447........1,039
Strawberry, CA.........$194,664........5,901
Kensington, CA.......$192,770.........5,595
Corte Madera, CA...$190,849.......19,593
Burlingame, CA.......$189,965.......29,941
Cupertino, CA..........$189,517.......60,171
Belmont, CA.............$188,789.......26,766
Larkspur, CA............$188,267.......12,219
Kenwood, CA...........$185,887.........1,306
Acalanes Ridge, CA$184,471.........1,139
Black Pt-Green Pt,CA$183,570......1,250
Lexington Hills, CA.$182,168.........2,581
Stinson Beach, CA..$176,979...........462
Pasatiempo, CA......$173,362.........1,210
Lucas Valley, CA.....$170,872.........6,250
El Granada, CA........$168,916.........5,681
San Ramon, CA.......$167,894.......74,571
Clayton, CA..............$166,678.......11,947
Pleasanton, CA.......$166,459.......75,009
Castle Hill, CA.........$165,779.........1,204
Foster City, CA.........$165,356......32,377
Green Valley, CA......$165,232........1,298
Muir Beach, CA........$163,866...........275
San Anselmo, CA....$163,804......12,566
Occidental, CA.........$163,801........1,159
Lompico, CA............$163,167...........488
Fruitdale, CA............$161,869...........981
Fairfax, CA...............$161,632.........7,514
Saranap, CA.............$161,124.........5,702
Mounain View, CA..$161,039.......77,973
Dublin, CA................$155,439.......52,063
Bolinas, CA..............$154,311.........1,358
East Foothills, CA...$154,231.........6,437
Berkeley, CA.............$153,712....117,384
Peters, CA................$153,583............440
Scotts Valley, CA.....$152,936......11,780
Half Moon Bay, CA.$152,405.......12,052
Moss Beach, CA.....$151,559.........3,704
Allendale, CA...........$150,468.........1,528
Tres Pinos, CA.........$150,088...........472

The next release comes out next month. I recall a few years back when I compiled just $200K+, New York had well over 100 such places.

[Acajack]

How did this thread (and so many others) come to be about Toronto when the city wasn't even named in the OP?

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Nor do your clear dreams of grandeur take anything away from this simple and undisputable fact:

2016 GDP:
San Francisco Bay CSA $821 Billion
Boston CSA $583 Billion
Ontario GDP $468 Billion*

*I had to lower my previous Ontario figure of $590 billion after I discovered the actual StatCan GDP stat(CAD$633.508 Billion × US $0.74= $468.795 Billion USD)

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...ataTable&csid=

Sorry boo.

It's also undisputed fact that the Lexus RCF has 42 more horsepower than the BMW M4 yet it's slower to 60, slower through the quarter mile, and slower around a track.

All you do is post GDP and income figures, which is akin to only looking at horsepower and ignoring everything else.

And when the dollar was at par in 2012 Ontarios GDP was 600billion USD, yet Ontarios economy has not retracted since.