San Francisco VS Boston (living, state, better, compared)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

It's also undisputed fact that the Lexus RCF has 42 more horsepower than the BMW M4 yet it's slower to 60, slower through the quarter mile, and slower around a track.

All you do is post GDP and income figures, which is akin to only looking at horsepower and ignoring everything else.

And when the dollar was at par in 2012 Ontarios GDP was 600billion USD, yet Ontarios economy has not retracted since.

Wrong, the value of the Canadian Dollar has dropped vs the US Dollar since then.

StatCan says Ontario's GDP in 2016 was $633 Billion Canadian so x $0.74 US(exchange rate on 31 Dec 2016) that = $468 Billion US.

[jayrandom]

Where did you find this? You are definitely missing some Boston suburbs, which suggest you're missing some SF ones.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Im into researching wealthy suburbs, from sophisticated urban cities all the way down to the small beachside villages or semirural towns.

Anyhow, both areas have lots...

Census 'Places' in each CSA with an Average Family Income of $150,000+, 2015 Census 5-year estimates.

Boston CSA:
Place/Average Family Income/Population
Dover, MA................$294,935.......2,441
Wellesley, MA..........$283,867....28,832
Hingham, MA..........$224,854.......5,416
Lexington, MA.........$224,123.....32,700
Winchester, MA......$219,963......22,075
South Duxbury, MA$217,413.......3,594
Newton, MA............$216,544.....87,685
Watch Hill, RI..........$206,018..........184
Needham, MA.........$205,957.....29,583
Topsfield, MA..........$198,210.......3,029
Duxbury, MA............$191,968.......1,375
Marion Center, MA.$190,996.......1,383
Cordaville, MA.........$187,785.......2,594
Belmont, MA............$185,744.....25,337
Brookline, MA..........$185,726.....59,132
Cochituate, MA.......$184,335........6,896
Medfield, MA............$175,877.......6,322
Boxford, MA.............$175,322.......2,366
Marblehead, MA......$169,532.....20,270
Monomoscoy, MA...$168,772.........169
Clayville, RI................$166,042........152
Sharon, MA...............$167,765......5,932
Milton, MA................$165,536.....27,303
Foster Center, RI......$164,007..........325
Swampscott, MA.....$163,269.....14,036
West Concord, MA..$162,824.......7,320
North Scituate, MA.$161,624.......5,077
Chatham, MA...........$161,106.......1,516
Amherst, NH............$160,455..........558
Lynnfield, MA...........$158,782......12,270
Reading, MA.............$155,832.....25,357
Sturbridge, MA.........$155,749.......2,515
Scituate, MA.............$154,413.......5,335
Essex, MA.................$153,868.......1,613
Groton, MA...............$152,654.......1,081
Andover, MA.............$152,416.......8,783
Cambridge, MA........$151,584...107,916
Franklin Town, MA..$151,333......32,731
Rockport, MA...........$150,149........4,846
Arlington, MA...........$150,324......44,128

Bay Area CSA:
Place/Average Family Income/Population
Atherton, CA............$493,794.........7,081
Portola Valley, CA...$442,987.........4,515
Woodside, CA..........$441,546.........5,579
Hillsborough, CA.....$391,914.......11,255
Los Altos Hills, CA..$368,066.........8,314
Belvedere, CA...........$354,010.........1,952
Monte Sereno, CA...$350,140.........3,508
Ladera, CA............ ...$341,864.........1,461
Kentfield, CA............$341,577.........6,813
Piedmont, CA..........$327,035.......11,099
Diablo, CA................$301,234............818
Ross, CA...................$299,042........2,306
Tiburon, CA..............$291,099........9,158
Norris Canyon, CA..$289,336.........1,003
Los Altos, CA...........$281,742......30,075
Sleepy Hollow, CA...$277,845........2,489
Orinda, CA................$276,272......18,703
Loyola, CA................$278,386........3,579
West Menlo Park, CA$269,982......5,479
Mill Valley, CA..........$266,290......14,293
North Gate, CA........$255,561...........534
Alamo, CA................$252,001.......16,301
Emerald Lake Hills, CA$251,130...4,495
Sausalito, CA...........$247,482........7,094
Saratoga, CA............$246,142......30,817
Reliez Valley, CA......$240,112........3,656
Menlo Park, CA.......$236,508......33,064
Blackhawk, CA .......$235,430.........9,304
Palo Alto, CA...........$233,056.......66,478
Stanford, CA............$226,911......14,213
Lafayette, CA...........$222,220......25,082
Moraga, CA..............$217,317.......16,787
Tamalpais, CA.........$216,875.......10,542
Camino Tassajara, CA.$216,728...2,247
Temelec, CA.............$213,627........1,543
Los Gatos, CA..........$213,079......30,398
San Miguel, CA........$209,980........3,366
Danville, CA..............$206,548......43,410
San Carlos, CA.........$205,228......29,454
Bodega Bay, CA.......$205,199...........212
Highlands, CA..........$204,364........4,217
Alto, CA.....................$203,628...........735
Silverado Resort, CA$202,534..........893
Shell Ridge, CA....... $197,447........1,039
Strawberry, CA.........$194,664........5,901
Kensington, CA.......$192,770.........5,595
Corte Madera, CA...$190,849.......19,593
Burlingame, CA.......$189,965.......29,941
Cupertino, CA..........$189,517.......60,171
Belmont, CA.............$188,789.......26,766
Larkspur, CA............$188,267.......12,219
Kenwood, CA...........$185,887.........1,306
Acalanes Ridge, CA$184,471.........1,139
Black Pt-Green Pt,CA$183,570......1,250
Lexington Hills, CA.$182,168.........2,581
Stinson Beach, CA..$176,979...........462
Pasatiempo, CA......$173,362.........1,210
Lucas Valley, CA.....$170,872.........6,250
El Granada, CA........$168,916.........5,681
San Ramon, CA.......$167,894.......74,571
Clayton, CA..............$166,678.......11,947
Pleasanton, CA.......$166,459.......75,009
Castle Hill, CA.........$165,779.........1,204
Foster City, CA.........$165,356......32,377
Green Valley, CA......$165,232........1,298
Muir Beach, CA........$163,866...........275
San Anselmo, CA....$163,804......12,566
Occidental, CA.........$163,801........1,159
Lompico, CA............$163,167...........488
Fruitdale, CA............$161,869...........981
Fairfax, CA...............$161,632.........7,514
Saranap, CA.............$161,124.........5,702
Mounain View, CA..$161,039.......77,973
Dublin, CA................$155,439.......52,063
Bolinas, CA..............$154,311.........1,358
East Foothills, CA...$154,231.........6,437
Berkeley, CA.............$153,712....117,384
Peters, CA................$153,583............440
Scotts Valley, CA.....$152,936......11,780
Half Moon Bay, CA.$152,405.......12,052
Moss Beach, CA.....$151,559.........3,704
Allendale, CA...........$150,468.........1,528
Tres Pinos, CA.........$150,088...........472

The next release comes out next month. I recall a few years back when I compiled just $200K+, New York had well over 100 such places.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Where did you find this? You are definitely missing some Boston suburbs, which suggest you're missing some SF ones.

Hi, my source is the 2015 Census 5-year estimates from factfinder.census.gov

Which suburbs did I miss?

[Vanderbiltgrad]

Originally Posted by BPt111

Chicago pretty nice on north side like Old Town, Lincoln Park, Lake View area etc. It has best transportation in U.S after NYC

Not a fan of Chicago, Boston or SF or any major city for living unless it is NYC. Just a personal choice.

[BPt111]

Originally Posted by Vanderbiltgrad

Not a fan of Chicago, Boston or SF or any major city for living unless it is NYC. Just a personal choice.

Should take day trip to Chicago visit sears tower, parks, lake view, the loop it might change your mind

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Hi, my source is the 2015 Census 5-year estimates from factfinder.census.gov

Which suburbs did I miss?

If you're using mean family income I noticed a few right away:

Weston $329k (i.e. richest town near Boston)
Westwood $205k (i.e. Where I live)

Looking more closely I also noticed:
Natick, MA $159k
Sherborn, MA $235

There may be a few others, but I don't know a better way to sort through the data other than guess/check.

[Vanderbiltgrad]

Originally Posted by BPt111

Should take day trip to Chicago visit sears tower, parks, lake view, the loop it might change your mind

Chicago is cool to visit but not to live, if I was going to be paying out the you know what it is going to be for NYC not Chicago Boston and SF. I just have a great connection with NYC.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

If you're using mean family income I noticed a few right away:

Weston $329k (i.e. richest town near Boston)
Westwood $205k (i.e. Where I live)

Looking more closely I also noticed:
Natick, MA $159k
Sherborn, MA $235

There may be a few others, but I don't know a better way to sort through the data other than guess/check.

Thanks a lot.

For some reason those places(which I have definitely heard of) dont appear in the list of 'places' at factfinder.census.gov--that's like Philly towns like Villanova and Gladwyne, there is some relationship with a larger entity...lemme take a look

Okay, the reason I didnt see Weston is that its not listed as a census place on its own but part of Middlesex county.

I wonder why that is?

As far as the Bay Area, every single place is listed-any place that is unincorporated simply has the acronym CBD(Census Designated Place) after it. Most places in the country are like that.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Thanks a lot.

For some reason those places(which I have definitely heard of) dont appear in the list of 'places' at factfinder.census.gov--that's like Philly towns like Villanova and Gladwyne, there is some relationship with a larger entity...lemme take a look

Okay, the reason I didnt see Weston is that its not listed as a census place on its own but part of Middlesex county.

I wonder why that is?

As far as the Bay Area, every single place is listed-any place that is unincorporated simply has the acronym CBD(Census Designated Place) after it. Most places in the country are like that.

I figured it was some census issue.

All those places are discrete towns that are basically the only level of government below the State level None are part of any larger sub-County unit and county government is essentially nonexistent here (every square inch is in an incorporated town of some kind. It’s especially funny that Dover shows up and Westwood and Natick don’t, because both are significantly larger in terms of population. It’s also funny that definite sub-town entities like South Duxbury appear when actual towns don’t. I think the census needs some help with New England geography.

I guess the only way to an accurate count would be to look up each income by town. Far too tedious.

[jayrandom]

I’ve lived in both metros and this is one of the few comparisons I feel qualified to make. I voted for Boston, because I like living here more than the Bay Area. That’s my situation, though. Boston is better in the things that are important to me. I like seasons and don’t mind the cold. I like that Boston is much more affordable. I think the schools are far better top to bottom, especially at the bottom. Public transit is a lot more effective and traffic isn’t nearly as crazy.

I have to admit that, especially if you’re someone who cares about things like Michelin Stars, San Francisco is way ahead of Boston. It’s a much more famous city that has a much bigger global profile, has more wealth, and is a more interesting tourist destination. Being 3-5 hours from so many mountains is a bigger plus in my book, too.