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There's a self-selecting bias involved with Devry and U of Phoenix. Students apply here because they can't get accepted anywhere else, even at non-profit public colleges with low admission standards. Therefore they tend to attract the worst and least motivated students. What company would hire someone from a university that has a reputation for attracting such students?
The companies I worked for wouldn't consider a graduate from these universities, even someone w/ a 3.9 GPA. Devry and U of Phoenix are at the bottom of the totem pole of universities. A Bachelor's from there is no better than an AA from a junior college
I have a relative with a Devry degree making pretty good money for a guy his age. But he's a go-getter with a great attitude, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he can get anything done and is a great people person and manager and always says yes and delivers work early and better than most of his peers. OTOH, I have an old co-worker who went to Devry but his scholarship money ran out and had to drop out and is still paying them off and not near a degree. But making OK money, it just put him behind schedule in life. Devry (and anywhere) will be only what you make of it, it IS overpriced and overhyped and they will say anything to get you in the door and get your scholarship money, but don't lie to yourself and completely blame Devry for your failures or lack of ambition. Go to a Community College ASAP, as long as you are taking 6 credits, you can defer your loans. An Associates degree is better and cheaper. You want WORK experience not SCHOOL experience in this day and age.
Agreed. I went to DeVry and any of my short comings in my career field were my own fault from not fully applying myself. Yeah, I got good grades. Graduated with a 3.6 GPA. But I didn't really hone my skills for the real world. I struggled on interviews when I went job hunting. Knowing what I know now, I would pick a different school, but thats part of life. I have never felt going to DeVry has hindered my career in any way. Once you spend a few years in the real world, work experience is what will matter, not where you went to school.
I can't believe I'm actually doing this. However, while depending on the advice I get that may hurt me in the long run, as it's on a holiday which most businesses and schools are closed, earlier is better since I can't get through to them..
I turn 24 this Sunday. I am a current student at DeVry University's North Brunswick, NJ campus majoring in Network and Communications Management. I wish I wasn't so passive and lazy because while nothing's actually been confirmed yet, I'm at risk of being dismissed for my academic performance. No excuse for putting myself into what may happen to me next. Respond to this OP as you wish if you happen to know more about it's grading system, preferably if you went to DeVry yourself as I have some questions regarding it so I have a plan on what to do tomorrow morning after my class.
There have been a good number of reviews about the validity of DeVry University as a college. They are mostly not good reviews at all. While I may soon have to face the very real possibility of paying loans in the next few months, I am curious to see is it actually at or close to the 90% figure of DeVry graduates moving into their careers in 96 of current or former Fortune 100 companies within 6 months? Is a degree from DeVry actually going to almost automatically disqualify me for the future position I hope to obtain? If you believe the numbers are way down and have useful facts to prove it as well (preferably also what you believe the real numbers are), please by all means give me some advice or post a link so in class tomorrow morning regardless of what they say, I'll consider pulling out because in a way I don't know what to believe about them anymore. If you go on their Wikipedia page, DeVry University faced about 7 different major lawsuits, and when before I shurgged it off believing that the only reason is my lack of committment and I'm overreacting, while this is not related, I starting to believe those bad reviews are legitimate. Thanks a lot!
Excellent non-profit school. Good IT degree programs. $6000 a year. If you a hard worker, you can get a degree in 2.5 - 3 years.
From my own personal experience, I had a few issues with WGU and a tremendously better experience at DeVry.
At WGU
1. The course shell was awful to navigate.
2. Course delivery was poorly designed and made it difficult to learn. You were basically handed the materials and told go learn it, take a test and if you get 65% or better, you pass.
3. The fact that it is a pass/fail school--in other words there are no grades and therefore no GPA. This presents problems if you want to transfer to another school at any time and employers DO CARE about your grades. It sure doesn't look good to say, well I passed but I have no GPA because I did not get a grade.
4. Very limited networking abilities.
5. Lack of career placement services.
6. Craptastic mentor.
My cousin and I both lost our jobs in the economic crash in 2008. We both had associate degrees from the same community college, his was in electronic engineering and mine was in business management.
He started at WGU in March 2009 as a full-time student (not working) to get his bachelor's degree in network administration and design . I started at WGU in September 2009 for the same thing. I did not have a good experience and decided to transfer to another school. I chose DeVry and changed my major to Computer Information Systems and started in March 2010 going full time and not working.
Fast forward to today's date. I completed my bachelor's degree graduating summa *** laude (3.92 GPA) last August and I continued on part time basis working on my Master's and would have been done by August if I had gone full time. My cousin? Well he is still full time/not working and plugging away on that bachelor's degree at WGU 4 years later.
All I can say that for some folks like my cousin going to school at WGU, it's pretty tough teaching yourself and not knowing if you are understanding it correctly or not until pass or fail a test and have to start over if you don't pass. The certificates are great and actually carry more value than the degree itself (which isn't worth the paper it's printed on without a GPA to most employers), but if it takes you this long to teach yourself the materials and having to retake the cert tests over and over until you pass... are you really learning what you need to know? And when those prospective employers see how long it took, they may not feel you are up to the task of learning a new job quickly.
Then when he does finish his degree, who is going to help him prepare to enter the job market? Where are his local network contacts? What about career placement services? I felt that WGU put all of the burden on the student without offering the right kind of support to help them succeed not just as a student, but beyond.
At DeVry, I have free lifetime career placement services from my school and let me tell you, they work hard for the students. We have a job board that is up to date with postings from employers that work with our school for full time, part time, temporary, coop and intern positions. Our career advisors work hand in hand with us to help us prepare our resumes, portfolios, how to network and practice interviews. The school hosts job fairs every quarter for the students. I have a large network of local people in my field thanks to school job fairs, seminars, student organization events, other campus events and folks I have met in my classes on campus. By the way, I only took about half my courses on campus for my undergrad degree and only 3 of my grad classes will be on campus. Everything else was online.
I always remember that saying "You get what you pay for" so yes, my education cost me a lot compared to my cousin, in the end I am the one with the advantages as I will have better opportunities and lifetime support from my school where he will not. Going to DeVry has not hurt my potential at all.
The point is, you need to know what you are getting yourself into and know what type of environment you learn best in. Do your research on the schools you are considering to make sure they meet all of your needs. And I agree 200% you will only get out of any school that you attend what you put into it.
It's an ongoing disgrace that tax funds are being used to further the indebtedness of students at these for-profit 'universities'. We could just pay the students to burn wads of cash with cigarette lighters and save everyone some time and trouble
If you can transfer out, and a normal college will take any of DeVry's credits, do that. NOW.
I had my own business for 20 years and occasionally received resumes that listed DeVry as the alma mater. Honestly, I'd give preference to a person with NO DEGREE and 2 years at a non-proprietary college. Any college.
Look at your local communities and even low ranking state or small competitive or less competitive privates. I have yet to understand why anyone would choose a "college of ill repute" because that's what they are.
From my own personal experience, I had a few issues with WGU and a tremendously better experience at DeVry.
At WGU
1. The course shell was awful to navigate.
2. Course delivery was poorly designed and made it difficult to learn. You were basically handed the materials and told go learn it, take a test and if you get 65% or better, you pass.
3. The fact that it is a pass/fail school--in other words there are no grades and therefore no GPA. This presents problems if you want to transfer to another school at any time and employers DO CARE about your grades. It sure doesn't look good to say, well I passed but I have no GPA because I did not get a grade.
4. Very limited networking abilities.
5. Lack of career placement services.
6. Craptastic mentor.
My cousin and I both lost our jobs in the economic crash in 2008. We both had associate degrees from the same community college, his was in electronic engineering and mine was in business management.
He started at WGU in March 2009 as a full-time student (not working) to get his bachelor's degree in network administration and design . I started at WGU in September 2009 for the same thing. I did not have a good experience and decided to transfer to another school. I chose DeVry and changed my major to Computer Information Systems and started in March 2010 going full time and not working.
Fast forward to today's date. I completed my bachelor's degree graduating summa *** laude (3.92 GPA) last August and I continued on part time basis working on my Master's and would have been done by August if I had gone full time. My cousin? Well he is still full time/not working and plugging away on that bachelor's degree at WGU 4 years later.
All I can say that for some folks like my cousin going to school at WGU, it's pretty tough teaching yourself and not knowing if you are understanding it correctly or not until pass or fail a test and have to start over if you don't pass. The certificates are great and actually carry more value than the degree itself (which isn't worth the paper it's printed on without a GPA to most employers), but if it takes you this long to teach yourself the materials and having to retake the cert tests over and over until you pass... are you really learning what you need to know? And when those prospective employers see how long it took, they may not feel you are up to the task of learning a new job quickly.
Then when he does finish his degree, who is going to help him prepare to enter the job market? Where are his local network contacts? What about career placement services? I felt that WGU put all of the burden on the student without offering the right kind of support to help them succeed not just as a student, but beyond.
At DeVry, I have free lifetime career placement services from my school and let me tell you, they work hard for the students. We have a job board that is up to date with postings from employers that work with our school for full time, part time, temporary, coop and intern positions. Our career advisors work hand in hand with us to help us prepare our resumes, portfolios, how to network and practice interviews. The school hosts job fairs every quarter for the students. I have a large network of local people in my field thanks to school job fairs, seminars, student organization events, other campus events and folks I have met in my classes on campus. By the way, I only took about half my courses on campus for my undergrad degree and only 3 of my grad classes will be on campus. Everything else was online.
I always remember that saying "You get what you pay for" so yes, my education cost me a lot compared to my cousin, in the end I am the one with the advantages as I will have better opportunities and lifetime support from my school where he will not. Going to DeVry has not hurt my potential at all.
The point is, you need to know what you are getting yourself into and know what type of environment you learn best in. Do your research on the schools you are considering to make sure they meet all of your needs. And I agree 200% you will only get out of any school that you attend what you put into it.
So exactly what position do you hold at DeVry "University"?
From my own personal experience, I had a few issues with WGU and a tremendously better experience at DeVry.
At WGU
1. The course shell was awful to navigate.
2. Course delivery was poorly designed and made it difficult to learn. You were basically handed the materials and told go learn it, take a test and if you get 65% or better, you pass.
3. The fact that it is a pass/fail school--in other words there are no grades and therefore no GPA. This presents problems if you want to transfer to another school at any time and employers DO CARE about your grades. It sure doesn't look good to say, well I passed but I have no GPA because I did not get a grade.
4. Very limited networking abilities.
5. Lack of career placement services.
6. Craptastic mentor.
My cousin and I both lost our jobs in the economic crash in 2008. We both had associate degrees from the same community college, his was in electronic engineering and mine was in business management.
He started at WGU in March 2009 as a full-time student (not working) to get his bachelor's degree in network administration and design . I started at WGU in September 2009 for the same thing. I did not have a good experience and decided to transfer to another school. I chose DeVry and changed my major to Computer Information Systems and started in March 2010 going full time and not working.
Fast forward to today's date. I completed my bachelor's degree graduating summa *** laude (3.92 GPA) last August and I continued on part time basis working on my Master's and would have been done by August if I had gone full time. My cousin? Well he is still full time/not working and plugging away on that bachelor's degree at WGU 4 years later.
All I can say that for some folks like my cousin going to school at WGU, it's pretty tough teaching yourself and not knowing if you are understanding it correctly or not until pass or fail a test and have to start over if you don't pass. The certificates are great and actually carry more value than the degree itself (which isn't worth the paper it's printed on without a GPA to most employers), but if it takes you this long to teach yourself the materials and having to retake the cert tests over and over until you pass... are you really learning what you need to know? And when those prospective employers see how long it took, they may not feel you are up to the task of learning a new job quickly.
Then when he does finish his degree, who is going to help him prepare to enter the job market? Where are his local network contacts? What about career placement services? I felt that WGU put all of the burden on the student without offering the right kind of support to help them succeed not just as a student, but beyond.
At DeVry, I have free lifetime career placement services from my school and let me tell you, they work hard for the students. We have a job board that is up to date with postings from employers that work with our school for full time, part time, temporary, coop and intern positions. Our career advisors work hand in hand with us to help us prepare our resumes, portfolios, how to network and practice interviews. The school hosts job fairs every quarter for the students. I have a large network of local people in my field thanks to school job fairs, seminars, student organization events, other campus events and folks I have met in my classes on campus. By the way, I only took about half my courses on campus for my undergrad degree and only 3 of my grad classes will be on campus. Everything else was online.
I always remember that saying "You get what you pay for" so yes, my education cost me a lot compared to my cousin, in the end I am the one with the advantages as I will have better opportunities and lifetime support from my school where he will not. Going to DeVry has not hurt my potential at all.
The point is, you need to know what you are getting yourself into and know what type of environment you learn best in. Do your research on the schools you are considering to make sure they meet all of your needs. And I agree 200% you will only get out of any school that you attend what you put into it.
Surprisingly, several Devry locations are listed quite high on Payscale's return on investment list. I think it's because Devry specializes in technology programs where the salaries are high and your college's reputation is not as important as proven skills and certifications.
I do agree with you on WGU. They are cheap and their model is intriguing, but it doesn't appeal to me. The college is better for older students with a lot of work experience in their chosen fields of study. WGU students do tend to finish college more quickly than the traditional student even without the instructional support because everything's self-paced. Besides a couple of government jobs, I have not come across an employer that wanted to see a GPA. Not having a GPA is more of an issue for graduate school.
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Actually, I didn't know that it is possible to flunk out of DeVry.
People flunk out of for-profits all the time; that's why their student loan default rates are so high. They aren't going to pass you if you don't turn in your work. For-profits have low retention and graduation rates because they are open enrollment and usually don't require placement testing to see if the student needs remediation. Too many of their students are not prepared to do college-level work and probably struggled in high school.
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