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Old 08-31-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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What gives me confidence in an area is the sustainability of its middle class and its harder to see that in CT. Yes there are many affluent people, no argument there. But there are many bring left behind. I'm not advocating for higher taxes or programs but simply recognition.
What state doesn't have forgotten corners and downtrodden areas with people being left behind? is there any? doubt it. You think they have it better in rural Mississippi than Tolland?
It's no secret CT's income disaprity is wide. When you have so much money in Fairfield, Hartford and New Haven Counties it's hard not to. Everyone knows this already. How can you not? The ecomomy is going gangbusters now
Even the middle class in those 3 counties are living it up. They lease german imports, launch 17 -25ft boats, have the latest iphones on family plans, eat and order take-out, they go to Disneyworld too.
Look at that gini list, were down at the bottom with CA and FL where the rich are even more loaded. Jaguar money. Some in S Florida literally own them. They know who to contact to get their hands on one.

 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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What state doesn't have forgotten corners and downtrodden areas with people being left behind? is there any? doubt it. You think they have it better in rural Mississippi than Tolland?
It's no secret CT's income disaprity is wide. When you have so much money in Fairfield, Hartford and New Haven Counties it's hard not to. Everyone knows this already. How can you not? The ecomomy is going gangbusters now
Even the middle class in those 3 counties are living it up. They lease german imports, launch 17 -25ft boats, have the latest iphones on family plans, eat and order take-out, they go to Disneyworld too.
Look at that gini list, were down at the bottom with CA and FL where the rich are even more loaded. Jaguar money. Some in S Florida literally own them. They know who to contact to get their hands on one.
I love the big cat musings. The ultimate show of wealth.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County CT
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Divide by 7.

When did each get the same population?
It is median income for EACH COUNTY so it is already divided by that counties population.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County CT
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What gives me confidence in an area is the sustainability of its middle class and its harder to see that in CT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ni_coefficient
ALL the counties including ALL the middle class counties outside of Fairfield County are all above the Median Household income for the US. Methinks you should worry about your own state, see below.

Median HH Income by CT County from the US Census
Hartford..................75,148
Litchfield.................79,906
Middlesex................85,898
New Haven..............69,905
New London.............73,490
Tolland....................87,069
Windham.................66,550 (CT's poorest county median is still wealthier than the ENTIRE median in FL lol)

CT's "poor" county is richer than the median in FL.


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For the record.

Median Income in all of Florida.........$55,660 (Census)
Poorest FL County Calhoun...............$31,669 (OMG....23 COUNTIES UNDER $40,000)

Physician Heal Thyself and Thy Own State................Jesus FL sure has a lot of poor people.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._capita_income
 
Old 08-31-2021, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County CT
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I'm not to the left at all but sometimes you can't ignore tends.I was at Buckland Hills mall the other day and they opened up a DCF office there. It's about a fifth empty but is that a good sign?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ni_coefficient
I thought you lived in FL.

I must be missing you up with the "beach" lady who posts this sort of stuff. Your posts are alike.....both of your posts are a mile long. Are you sisters?....cousins?

Do you go down to FL for the winter?
 
Old 08-31-2021, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Please stop the bickering and return to the topic of the OP. JayCT, Moderator
 
Old 08-31-2021, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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But let’s look at the entire picture, here.

It’s important to realize, and I think it’s often forgotten, that HHI in New Haven, Litchfield and even some of Hartford County wouldn’t be what it is if it weren’t for Fairfield County. There is a staggering amount of commuters who cross southern and western county lines that bring their incomes back to their non-Fairfield County communities.

Because of that, without Fairfield County, you’d see a significant drop in the rest of the state’s income.
I’m not sure you are entirely correct about Fairfield County workers living and bringing up the incomes in New Haven and Hartford Counti. If you look at data of the top places where residents of various towns commute to you don’t see a lot of New Haven County residents commuting into a Fairfield County.

Sure Milford shows workers commuting to Stratford, Shelton, Bridgeport and Fairfield, you don’t see many that commute to Norwalk or Stamford. Go up to Woodbridge and you see only a couple hundred commuting to Bridgeport and Shelton, not much else. Go out to Madison and there are none listed commuting to Fairfield County.

The same is true in Southington, Rocky Hill, Glastonbury or Southington in Hartford County.

Granted this is only a cursory review but if what you said was true the data would at least show more residents commuting into Fairfield County, especially Norwalk and Stamford where there are the bulk of the high paying jobs. I’m not saying you are entirely wrong but for there to be a significant impact, I think you’d need to see more. Jay

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...lford-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...ridge-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...dison-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...-hill-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...ngton-2019.pdf
 
Old 08-31-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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I’m not sure you are entirely correct about Fairfield County workers living and bringing up the incomes in New Haven and Hartford Counti. If you look at data of the top places where residents of various towns commute to you don’t see a lot of New Haven County residents commuting into a Fairfield County.

Sure Milford shows workers commuting to Stratford, Shelton, Bridgeport and Fairfield, you don’t see many that commute to Norwalk or Stamford. Go up to Woodbridge and you see only a couple hundred commuting to Bridgeport and Shelton, not much else. Go out to Madison and there are none listed commuting to Fairfield County.

The same is true in Southington, Rocky Hill, Glastonbury or Southington in Hartford County.

Granted this is only a cursory review but if what you said was true the data would at least show more residents commuting into Fairfield County, especially Norwalk and Stamford where there are the bulk of the high paying jobs. I’m not saying you are entirely wrong but for there to be a significant impact, I think you’d need to see more. Jay

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...lford-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...ridge-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...dison-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...-hill-2019.pdf

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...ngton-2019.pdf
A few years dated but absolutely still holds true is this study that shows just under 80,000 commuters in non-Fairfield County Connecticut commute into Fairfield County.

https://www1.ctdol.state.ct.us/lmi/d...mber2013-1.pdf

That’s 80,000 non Fairfield County resident incomes that would disappear if Fairfield County wasn’t what it is. Because of that, the argument suggesting Fairfield County greatly contributes to the state’s wealth can’t reasonably be disputed.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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A few years dated but absolutely still holds true is this study that shows just under 80,000 commuters in non-Fairfield County Connecticut commute into Fairfield County.

https://www1.ctdol.state.ct.us/lmi/d...mber2013-1.pdf

That’s 80,000 non Fairfield County resident incomes that would disappear if Fairfield County wasn’t what it is. Because of that, the argument suggesting Fairfield County greatly contributes to the state’s wealth can’t reasonably be disputed.
I agree with your assessment. Without CT's proximity to NYC, CT would be in dire straits financially. NYC is losing its most valuable residents, Fortune 500 employers, & long time taxpayers, so that puts CT at risk.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-new-york-city

The number of Fortune 500's based in NYC has dwindled for decades, and now its down to 54 from 65 just 3 years ago:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ties/38215229/

Here's another article that describes CT's challenges:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...it_nosession=1

I'm rooting for Ct's Governor to reverse course, & I like what he is doing, but CT residents must support his efforts, so I hope you will write his office to encourage his agenda.
 
Old 08-31-2021, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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A few years dated but absolutely still holds true is this study that shows just under 80,000 commuters in non-Fairfield County Connecticut commute into Fairfield County.

https://www1.ctdol.state.ct.us/lmi/d...mber2013-1.pdf

That’s 80,000 non Fairfield County resident incomes that would disappear if Fairfield County wasn’t what it is. Because of that, the argument suggesting Fairfield County greatly contributes to the state’s wealth can’t reasonably be disputed.
Since we are talking generalities here and hypothetical situations, this data should be fine. The link contains some good information.

According to this Fairfield County had 455,822 jobs in 2013 of which 412,183 are held by Connecticut residents. Table 3A breaks down what Connecticut county these workers live in. Obviously the vast majority of them (335,872) live in Fairfield County itself however a total 58,319 of the live in New Haven County, 12,458 in Litchfield County and 3,058 in Hartford County. This may sound like a lot but remember New Haven and Hartford counties are pretty big.

New Haven County has about 863,000 people so those workers represent only about 6.7% of the population. That’s not a lot really so I find it highly doubtful those few Fairfield County workers bring the median income of New Haven County that much.

Litchfield County has about 187,000 people. That means the 12,458 people that work in Fairfield County also only accounts for about 6.7% of the county. Again not really that much. Finally Hartford County has about 898,000 people so the 3,058 Fairfield County workers the represent a minuscule 0.34% of the population.

Given all this is theoretical, it’s really a waste of time to argue over it. Jay
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