[robr2]

Originally Posted by Pike320

Are you saying he should have done that in March? That was back when Fauci and virtually every other public health official were telling us NO MASKS!

We found out later that they were lying because they didn’t want the public buying up masks in large quantities and leaving hospitals without enough.

You are absolutely correct. In March, the recommendation was to not wear a mask in order to prevent a shortage for front line workers.

Perhaps the president could have changed his tone on April 3, 2020 when the CDC and other health exports recommended wearing a mask. Perhaps in that month, he could have used the Defense Production Act to get masks and other PPE made. Perhaps he could have led a coordinated effort of professionals to source masks and PPE for distribution to where it was needed rather than having Jared get a bunch of his college buddies try to buy it. Perhaps he could had led instead of fight. Perhaps he would have been re-elected if he took his job seriously.

[JGBigGreen]

Herd immunity is achieved in one of two ways: vaccination or natural infection. Herd immunity is the goal of vaccination.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/herd-immu...s/art-20486808

Originally Posted by JayCT

It is my understanding that Herd Immunity involves letting the virus run free to build up people’s immunity to it. To me, vaccinations make sense but Herd Immunity does not. Seems like you would just eliminate the most vulnerable which then brings down infection numbers. I am no expert on pandemics so it’s hard to say that is what happens. Jay

[Pike320]

Originally Posted by robr2

You are absolutely correct. In March, the recommendation was to not wear a mask in order to prevent a shortage for front line workers.

Perhaps the president could have changed his tone on April 3, 2020 when the CDC and other health exports recommended wearing a mask. Perhaps in that month, he could have used the Defense Production Act to get masks and other PPE made. Perhaps he could have led a coordinated effort of professionals to source masks and PPE for distribution to where it was needed rather than having Jared get a bunch of his college buddies try to buy it. Perhaps he could had led instead of fight. Perhaps he would have been re-elected if he took his job seriously.

How much do you think mask wearing reduces the infection rate?

[synchem]

Whelp looks like we won't have to worry about this going forward personally, since our family all has it now.

Wife lost taste and smell last Saturday, and us and the kids stayed home while we waited for her test results which came back 4 days later positive. So we all have it no doubt. Kids and I had it very mild; random headache, 2 days of congestion, and maybe a day of cough. I guess we're fortunate the symptoms haven't been too bad so far (and hopefully don't turn into anything worse).

[gmdealerguy]

Originally Posted by robr2

You are absolutely correct. In March, the recommendation was to not wear a mask in order to prevent a shortage for front line workers.

Perhaps the president could have changed his tone on April 3, 2020 when the CDC and other health exports recommended wearing a mask. Perhaps in that month, he could have used the Defense Production Act to get masks and other PPE made. Perhaps he could have led a coordinated effort of professionals to source masks and PPE for distribution to where it was needed rather than having Jared get a bunch of his college buddies try to buy it. Perhaps he could had led instead of fight. Perhaps he would have been re-elected if he took his job seriously.

This...... Hits the nail on the head.

[Pike320]

Originally Posted by gmdealerguy

This...... Hits the nail on the head.

The best statistical study on mask usage was done in Denmark. The control group (no masks) were infected at a rate of 2.1%. The masked group were infected at a rate of 1.8%.

They were hoping for a reduction of half (down to about 1%) in the rate of infection. The results failed, statistically, as you might guess.

Even though the study failed to show the reduction they had hypothesized, there was a minor reduction for the mask-wearing group.

My conclusion: masks might help a small amount, but the results are not enough for a national mandate. I have taught statistics and I think the Danish study was about as good as you can get without monitoring people 24/7.
I’m willing to wear a mask indoors in a store, but I don’t think it’s a magic shield.

There are other studies coming out, too, that may help us understand this disease better:

• Non-symptomatic people probably don’t infect other people (Good news).

• The safest place for kids is in school. They don’t get infected and they don’t pass on infection for the most part. (Also, good news.)

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by Pike320

The best statistical study on mask usage was done in Denmark. The control group (no masks) were infected at a rate of 2.1%. The masked group were infected at a rate of 1.8%.

They were hoping for a reduction of half (down to about 1%) in the rate of infection. The results failed, statistically, as you might guess.

Even though the study failed to show the reduction they had hypothesized, there was a minor reduction for the mask-wearing group.

My conclusion: masks might help a small amount, but the results are not enough for a national mandate. I have taught statistics and I think the Danish study was about as good as you can get without monitoring people 24/7.
I’m willing to wear a mask indoors in a store, but I don’t think it’s a magic shield.

There are other studies coming out, too, that may help us understand this disease better:

• Non-symptomatic people probably don’t infect other people (Good news).

• The safest place for kids is in school. They don’t get infected and they don’t pass on infection for the most part. (Also, good news.)

The thing about the Danish study is that it did NOT look at whether people were actually wearing their masks properly so it’s results and conclusions are not necessarily accurate to say whether masks work or not. I hate to keep going back to TikTok but here’s why. Jay

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJQQtmYH/

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by JayCT

The thing about the Danish study is that it did NOT look at whether people were actually wearing their masks properly so it’s results and conclusions are not necessarily accurate to say whether masks work or not. I hate to keep going back to TikTok but here’s why. Jay

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJQQtmYH/

Eh, that’s really splitting hairs.

Like I said, in a country where almost every public place requires a mask, yet we’re dealing with another spike of COVID not unlike the same in March, isn’t it silly to continue to preach mask usage and lockdowns?

This isn’t rocket science, people. It is what it is. Let’s go based off of what we know.

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by JayCT

The thing about the Danish study is that it did NOT look at whether people were actually wearing their masks properly so it’s results and conclusions are not necessarily accurate to say whether masks work or not. I hate to keep going back to TikTok but here’s why. Jay

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJQQtmYH/

But in the real world the wearing IS imperfect, and some masks are nowhere near the effectiveness of an N95. If the study has all perfect usage with N95’s, it wouldn’t represent real world mask access and usage.

I don’t think the Danish study concludes masks aren’t a useful tool at all. It just confirms that in the real world, they’re not particularly protective. They can still prevent spread.

[Pike320]

Originally Posted by JayCT

The thing about the Danish study is that it did NOT look at whether people were actually wearing their masks properly so it’s results and conclusions are not necessarily accurate to say whether masks work or not. I hate to keep going back to TikTok but here’s why. Jay

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJQQtmYH/

The Danish study is only one. There have been others over years with similar results. The only way to truly protect yourself is to wear a properly fitting N95 mask.

I wear a mask where it is required, but I don’t regard it as much protection. In my opinion, social distancing and keeping my hands off my face is more important.