[brasscitybluenwhite]

Originally Posted by goldenband

My point was that, in the dose she was taking, the effect (on her) was quite comparable to a recreational drug. (Did you miss the part where I mentioned that she was so wired that she was sleeping three hours a night?) Yet because it was prescribed by a doctor, somehow that made it magically OK in her world. Remember that amphetamines used to be prescribed routinely for depression -- the line between therapeutic and recreational effects can be very blurry.

As for depression and marijuana, it worsens it in some folks, but alleviates it in others. The former happens much more often than the latter, I think, but I've known plenty of people in both situations. At least a depressed person can't down a handful of joints to off themselves...

No, I'm a Molecular and Cell Biology major and I have never read anything where amphetamines were used as antidepressants. Do you know where I can read more about this?

[goldenband]

If I have time, I'll try to find a good source detailing their widespread prescription in the 1950s and 1960s. Here's an article on the subject from 1980, though I can't get into PubMed at the moment. For obvious reasons, amphetamines are seldom used (if at all) as a front-line treatment now, but apparently are occasionally used in conjunction with conventional anti-depressants. I assume you know about JFK's use of amphetamines (under doctor's orders) while he was President.

[goldenband]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

Since there are apparently lots of experts here who have taken drug courses, I was wondering: Does a teenager who experiments with marijuana require counseling? Sadly it seems like normative behavior today.

I don't know that I qualify as an expert, but I think every case is different. Experimenting with marijuana has been more or less normative for some time now, and the vast majority of my friends and family have tried it. (Many of them need counseling, but not for reasons having to do with pot!)

I think your instinct to avoid stigmatizing the person is a good one. As for counseling, it really depends on their motivation. If a kid's depressed, they could use help with that. OTOH, if someone had discovered my youthful experiments with pot and tried to get me to go to counseling on that basis, I think it would've been a mistake. But that's me.

Honestly, I think we're better off demystifying pot, and showing it for what it really is -- not something glamorous, edgy, or rebellious, but a fairly banal, commonplace drug that usually makes people act boring, self-centered, or kinda dumb.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by JViello

I really don't feel like replying to the bickering, but would like to make this simple point.

Cough medicine sole purpose is not for drug use and getting high.

Nor are other over the counter and prescription drugs.

Aside from some hippie promoting the wearing of a hemp garment as the way to save the world, the only purpose for legalizing weed is for people to get high.

There is a difference. I'm not sure why folks choose not to see it.

Don't we have enough crap to deal with outside of having to "prevent" our citizens to "just say no" to another legal substance who's sole purpose is to alter your mind state?

Don't the same people portraying alcohol as being bad understand once the genie is out of the bottle, you have the same problem as you do with alcohol trying to put it back in the bottle?

Are you saying Nyquil can't get you high?

And are you also saying that marijuana has zero benefits to someone who is ill?

[JViello]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

No, I'm a Molecular and Cell Biology major and I have never read anything where amphetamines were used as antidepressants. Do you know where I can read more about this?

I was going to say I did, but now that I think of it, I'm not sure I have either.

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Are you saying Nyquil can't get you high?

And are you also saying that marijuana has zero benefits to someone who is ill?

Yes, that's what nyquil was created for...so kids can get high.

Lets cut the bullsh*t here. People who want to legalize marajuana want to do so for the user to get high and not get arrested. Period.

We are putting greater restrictions on a product such as nyquil because less than 1% abuse it, yet we are giving a green light to a know substance used 99.9% of the time for getting high.

Makes NO sense.

[brasscitybluenwhite]

theres no article at the link though. They probably used amphetamines on Kennedy because SSRI's weren't out yet. Better that than him smoking a joint.

[heather121]

Originally Posted by JViello

Lets cut the bullsh*t here. People who want to legalize marajuana want to do so for the user to get high and not get arrested. Period.

You don't get arrested for being high, unless you're driving and they can prove that you're under the influence. If someone is already high, they've obviously used up that 1 ounce and therefore aren't possessing any, are they?

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by JViello

Lets cut the bullsh*t here. People who want to legalize marajuana want to do so for the user to get high and not get arrested. Period.

You have it all wrong. It's not called "medicinal marijuana" for nothing. But hey, we're going in circles here. There are other benefits to a marijuana high other than laughing and eating that have been outlined numerous times in this thread, which you choose to ignore. Period.

Originally Posted by JViello

We are putting greater restrictions on a product such as nyquil because less than 1% abuse it

Do you have statistics to back this up, or are you "just sayin"?

[jjbradleynyc]

Whoa this has grown since I responded on the first page...LOL!

I'm enjoying the reading--I'll not jump in so late.

[brasscitybluenwhite]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

You have it all wrong. It's not called "medicinal marijuana" for nothing. But hey, we're going in circles here. There are other benefits to a marijuana high other than laughing and eating that have been outlined numerous times in this thread, which you choose to ignore. Period.



Do you have statistics to back this up, or are you "just sayin"?

you keep bringing up medicinal marijuana and i keep telling you that there is a product on the market called Marinol that is a prescription medication that has everything needed in it to give the same effect as marijuana.