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Old 06-29-2018, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Tennessee at last!
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RIP Jahi!

She's already been declared dead once. Do they have to file another death certificate?
yeah, they have one form NJ now and will use it to get the CA one revoked so they can sue the CA hospital for her injuries, pain and suffering, etc. With her dead by the CA death certificate they can not sue for nearly as much--legal caps are in place in CA when there was a death. You get much more for an injury.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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yeah, they have one form NJ now and will use it to get the CA one revoked so they can sue the CA hospital for her injuries, pain and suffering, etc. With her dead by the CA death certificate they can not sue for nearly as much--legal caps are in place in CA when there was a death. You get much more for an injury.
Wasn’t there a good chance it was the family’s interference in her care which caused her injuries? I’d hate for Childrens Hospital to be forced to pay out for problem which wasn’t their fault.
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Old 06-30-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Cartersville, GA
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RIP Jahi!

She's already been declared dead once. Do they have to file another death certificate?
This is a very good question. Note that the family's attorney simply said that the doctor has filled out a preliminary abstract of death. Remember, physicians have no authority to issue vital documents. They can only fill out the paperwork recommending that the State issue the document. There's no indication whether or not the state of New Jersey will actually issue a death certificate. I will not be surprised if the applicable agency in New Jersey refuses to issue a death certificate, since a death certificate was issued in 2013.
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It’s ironic that her parents fought tooth and nail to keep her in a “vegetive state” yet before this whole fiasco it’s very clearly that she was overweight from an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle and constant junk food which contributed to complicating her surgery.

If only the parents had actually put some effort into not feeding her junk food and doing some excercise perhaps the body would’ve responded better to the surgery. But it’s safe to assume the parents are also overweight with an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle.

We’re talking about a child who had trouble breathing because she was so unhealthy and the option the parents had was complicated evasive surgery.
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According to court documents, McMath was admitted to Children's Hospital Oakland on December 9, 2013, for an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates.

It was hoped these procedures would provide improved airflow during her sleep at night. The hospital described these procedures as complicated. The family described the surgery as a routine tonsillectomy in media reports.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahi_McMath_case

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Old 06-30-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It’s ironic that her parents fought tooth and nail to keep her in a “vegetive state” yet before this whole fiasco it’s very clearly that she was overweight from an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle and constant junk food which contributed to complicating her surgery.

If only the parents had actually put some effort into not feeding her junk food and doing some excercise perhaps the body would’ve responded better to the surgery. But it’s safe to assume the parents are also overweight with an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle.

We’re talking about a child who had trouble breathing because she was so unhealthy and the option the parents had was complicated evasive surgery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahi_McMath_case
I agree. I suspect that part of keeping her dead body "alive" was because of their guilt regarding the whole situation.

I was a special education teacher for 40 years and sometimes saw parallel types of things. One parent spent thousands and thousands of dollars on various "new treatments" and special tutors for her child's autism but absolutely refused to try the very basic (and free) techniques at home herself that were highly successful at school. To this parent, unless it cost money it was a worthless endeavor and she wanted to put the work on someone else (paid tutors, paid clinicians, paid "doctors") instead of doing the very basics with her child.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Wasn’t there a good chance it was the family’s interference in her care which caused her injuries? I’d hate for Childrens Hospital to be forced to pay out for problem which wasn’t their fault.
If I recall correctly, there were witnesses that saw her family feeding her pieces of a hamburger against doctor's orders, which, undoubtedly, dislodged a clot and started the bleeding.

I can't imagine how they are planning on getting around this very incriminating fact if there is a trial.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If I recall correctly, there were witnesses that saw her family feeding her pieces of a hamburger against doctor's orders, which, undoubtedly, dislodged a clot and started the bleeding.

I can't imagine how they are planning on getting around this very incriminating fact if there is a trial.
I seem to remember the "hamburger" incident, as well as her grandmother doing things, like suctioning her mouth/throat, that should have been done by hospital staff. From what I have read the family clearly interfered with her care, and probably caused her death, or at least interfered with her healing, while she was recovering from that tricky surgery.

IMHO, they failed their daughter when she was alive and growing up, failed their daughter before and after her surgery, and failed their daughter, and her family, friends and classmates, after her death by claiming that she was still alive for all those years.
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Old 06-30-2018, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I seem to remember the "hamburger" incident, as well as her grandmother doing things, like suctioning her mouth/throat, that should have been done by hospital staff. From what I have read the family clearly interfered with her care, and probably caused her death, or at least interfered with her healing, while she was recovering from that tricky surgery.

IMHO, they failed their daughter when she was alive and growing up, failed their daughter before and after her surgery, and failed their daughter, and her family, friends and classmates, after her death by claiming that she was still alive for all those years.
Agree completely.

Maybe the family is hoping the hospital will settle out of court with a nice settlement rather than go to trial, as many do just to make a lawsuit go away.

I hope they don't.

IMO, the lawsuit is just a money grab by her family.
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Old 06-30-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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Agree completely.

Maybe the family is hoping the hospital will settle out of court with a nice settlement rather than go to trial, as many do just to make a lawsuit go away.

I hope they don't.

IMO, the lawsuit is just a money grab by her family.
I'm not saying this never happens. However, its much more common to see them fight a truly meritorious case. The public is subjected to much propaganda about medical malpractice. When some money actually gets paid than you call it a "money grab".
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I agree. I suspect that part of keeping her dead body "alive" was because of their guilt regarding the whole situation.

I was a special education teacher for 40 years and sometimes saw parallel types of things. One parent spent thousands and thousands of dollars on various "new treatments" and special tutors for her child's autism but absolutely refused to try the very basic (and free) techniques at home herself that were highly successful at school. To this parent, unless it cost money it was a worthless endeavor and she wanted to put the work on someone else (paid tutors, paid clinicians, paid "doctors") instead of doing the very basics with her child.
Agreed. Sometimes all you have to is examine the life at home to see what the primary issue was.

Despite what the parents in the OP claim, this was clearly a dangerous uncommon complicated invasive surgery brought on as a result of being overweight and resulted in complications after surgery due to the parents not following post-op procedures as medical officials claim.

Being overweight can complicate any surgery, it’s as simple as that and look no further than the failure of the parents.

Interesting post I found from the comments section:
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She had a flat EEG years ago, she was already clinically dead. Any surgery in the airway of an obese patient is extremely risky, and she had a tonsilectomy AND a UPPP, family ignored post-op orders (feeding her solid food) and she blew out her fresh stitches on food.- Certified Surgical Technologist and Anesthesia Technician employed in surgery for 32 years.

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