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I know West used self defense as a reason but putting the victim on trial when he's dead and not able to face his accuser GZ who was the one following, even as he's told not to.
GZ should have put on an affirmative defense and gotten into the witness box to explain himself. He didn't do that for the State would have made minced meat out of his testimony..nothing but a bunch of lies told during that trial and the jurors identified with the offender, not the victim..
when will attorney's start making their clients take responsibility for their actions/behaviors..
That is the job of the prosecutors, not the defense. Unfortunately, the prosecution was not up to the task.
For those who haven't read the part of this thread where I've posted before, many pages ago, I'll reiterate that I don't usually get very interested in these cases that become big news. Not interested in the big soap opera, and not likely to get worked up over the people involved as villains, heroes, etc. I'm a former LEO, and became interested in this case because of legal issues.
Regarding legal issues, the passages quoted above are just some examples of a debate going on for a number of recent posts, about the guidelines for neighborhood watch volunteers. No matter what your thoughts on that, try to keep in mind that guidelines are all we're talking about. They don't carry the force of law.
Some might find it interesting to discuss whether Zimmerman did something wrong, including whether he may have gone against neighborhood watch procedure, but this has nothing to do with whether he should have been convicted of any crime, or even charged with any crime for that matter. Going against guidelines, if indeed Zimmerman did so, does not mean that anyone has broken any law.
I understand whether or not GZ followed NW procedures aren't related to the crime he was charged with. However, I think this thread is more about whether GZ was some type of rule-breaking, long history of violence, vigilante type-guy at the time he killed TM, than a do-over of all the trial evidence.
I know West used self defense as a reason but putting the victim on trial when he's dead and not able to face his accuser GZ who was the one following, even as he's told not to.
GZ should have put on an affirmative defense and gotten into the witness box to explain himself. He didn't do that for the State would have made minced meat out of his testimony..nothing but a bunch of lies told during that trial and the jurors identified with the offender, not the victim..
when will attorney's start making their clients take responsibility for their actions/behaviors..
If you are just going to make up stuff like that, you won't be taken very seriously on this board.
Looks like you don't have a very good understanding of how our legal system works.
For those who haven't read the part of this thread where I've posted before, many pages ago, I'll reiterate that I don't usually get very interested in these cases that become big news. Not interested in the big soap opera, and not likely to get worked up over the people involved as villains, heroes, etc. I'm a former LEO, and became interested in this case because of legal issues.
Regarding legal issues, the passages quoted above are just some examples of a debate going on for a number of recent posts, about the guidelines for neighborhood watch volunteers. No matter what your thoughts on that, try to keep in mind that guidelines are all we're talking about. They don't carry the force of law.
Some might find it interesting to discuss whether Zimmerman did something wrong, including whether he may have gone against neighborhood watch procedure, but this has nothing to do with whether he should have been convicted of any crime, or even charged with any crime for that matter. Going against guidelines, if indeed Zimmerman did so, does not mean that anyone has broken any law.
Nice to meet you Ogre. We were actually discussing a pattern that GZ exhibits of breaking rules and laws both. Since you are former LE, can you tell me how you felt about the wannabes who seem to try and step in and "help" you do your job? I know my LE family and friends are not too fond of them. There are actually a couple over in Seminole County who wish he'd just move away.
These guidelines he broke are simply part of a pattern with GZ that seems to be escalating over time. I thought this was the topic here. GZ is really a loose cannon and I think it's quite possible he will kill again.
If you are just going to make up stuff like that, you won't be taken very seriously on this board.
Looks like you don't have a very good understanding of how our legal system works.
He claimed SD, a usual defense for SD is to put on an affirmative defense. thank you very much but I know lots about out legal system and their corruptness, blaming victims to get a seemingly guilty person to walk free. With some lawyers its not about justice but more about winning a case..
He claimed SD, a usual defense for SD is to put on an affirmative defense. thank you very much but I know lots about out legal system and their corruptness, blaming victims to get a seemingly guilty person to walk free. With some lawyers its not about justice but more about winning a case..
what's with so much rudeness here?
I didn't make up anything...google it..
The part you made up, or presented your opinion as Fact is this:
"GZ who was the one following, even as he's told not to."
You don't believe GZ had left his car Before dispatch said we don't need you to follow and/or he didn't start walking back to his car when asked not to follow.
No switching at all. I was replying directly to your statement that the neighborhood watch coordinator testified GZ had broken no rules which is NOT at all what she said. The posts are directly below one another so I am not sure how you could have mistaken what I was replying to. I'm sure you wouldn't have purposely misdirected my response so perhaps you just didn't read it carefully.
You said that the NW and police had a rule against carrying guns. Dorival testified there was no such rule. In fact she said she avoids the subject of guns.
The part you made up, or presented your opinion as Fact is this:
"GZ who was the one following, even as he's told not to."
You don't believe GZ had left his car Before dispatch said we don't need you to follow and/or he didn't start walking back to his car when asked not to follow.
Yes, GZ did leave his vehicle before dispatcher asked if he was following..I don't believe he attempted to return to his vehicle.
He also told Det. Serino, I wasn't following, I was going in the same direction. Det. Serino responded, that's following..
It is a fact, GZ continued to follow even as he was told, we don't need you to do that..he was inconsistent with all his statements and recreation of events..
GZ needs to be incarcerated and I truly hope this charge will do it before he kills again, is my belief..
He claimed SD, a usual defense for SD is to put on an affirmative defense. thank you very much but I know lots about out legal system and their corruptness, blaming victims to get a seemingly guilty person to walk free. With some lawyers its not about justice but more about winning a case..
what's with so much rudeness here?
I didn't make up anything...google it..
You claimed GZ was told not to follow TM. That didn't happen, therefore, you made it up.
An affirmative defense isn't required if the state can't make their case. The state failed, and GZ walked. No reason at all for him to take the stand.
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