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The pharmaceutical companies are entirely shielded from taking any responsibility in the event of serious adverse reactions yet we are supposed to blindly trust them. It's shocking that some don't see any sort of problem with that.
The serious adverse reactions to vaccines are not caused by any negligence on the part of the pharmaceutical companies. They are not responsible for them, which is why we compensate people with vaccine injuries outside the tort system.
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So true. My relationship with my doctor is just that, a relationship. It's not one where my doctor dictates that I must do this or that. I would never see a doctor that does not understand the concept of a doctor/patient relationship.
Why should a doctor want to see a patient who does not respect the doctor/patient relationship and persists in behaviors that the doctor knows are dangerous and irresponsible?
Dear "Girl", you do not need a doctorate when you are taking a medication and then have ringing in your ears and seeing double, to know SOMETHING is very, very wrong. If you never had these symptoms before you took the medication, try adding one plus one. No doctorate required. Do you really need someone with a medical degree to tell you that this is not normal? If it can happen with other drugs, why not with vaccines for some people? No medication is 100% safe for 100% of the popluation. One size does not fit all. We are not clones of one another who will react precisely in the same way the "majority" does.
Unfortunately, far too many people follow like sheep because "DOCTOR says I must take this". Sheep do not think, they just follow the herd, and where the shepherd leads them.
As Poppysead said, human beings are not CATTLE.
Doctorate as in research. Not as in medical doctor (not necessarily). Doctorate as in people who spent years in school and in labs studying vaccines and epidemiology and anything else related. Doctorate as in people who conduct genuine, peer-reviewed studies and spend a lot of time and money researching vaccines, making them as good as they possibly can, so they are fit for public use.
Nothing is perfect. Nothing is 100% flawless. Does that mean we should question the use of anything that might make us sick and decide it's reckless to use it, when we have proof that something like vaccines, despite their risks, have literally wiped out dangerous, deadly diseases in either the world or individual countries?
This isn't me being a sheep. It's me trusting the researchers and trained professionals more than some concerned parent who did some googling and read articles that have been proven to be bogus.
Do you not walk outside during a thunderstorm just because there's a chance you will get struck by lightning? A very small chance? Do you not drive in your car because there's a chance you can crash and die? Even if YOU are driving as safely as possible, someone else might come barreling into your lane, out of your control. Someone else might be driving drunk and hit you. Do you not swim in the ocean because there's a chance a shark can kill you? Or because there's a chance a riptide can take you out and you can drown?
The serious adverse reactions to vaccines are not caused by any negligence on the part of the pharmaceutical companies. They are not responsible for them, which is why we compensate people with vaccine injuries outside the tort system.
They are in cases where individuals are mandated to take vaccines and then have reactions due to the fact that we don't all react the exact same way to all medications, vaccines, chemicals, foods, etc. That's kind of the point and a huge part of the reason why people need to be allowed to choose, free of coercion.
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Why should a doctor want to see a patient who does not respect the doctor/patient relationship and persists in behaviors that the doctor knows are dangerous and irresponsible?
They don't have to see anyone that they don't want to see but don't assume that all doctors think like you. There are lots that understand the concept of choice and will educate but ultimately leave the decision up to the patient.
Doctorate as in research. Not as in medical doctor (not necessarily). Doctorate as in people who spent years in school and in labs studying vaccines and epidemiology and anything else related. Doctorate as in people who conduct genuine, peer-reviewed studies and spend a lot of time and money researching vaccines, making them as good as they possibly can, so they are fit for public use.
Nothing is perfect. Nothing is 100% flawless. Does that mean we should question the use of anything that might make us sick and decide it's reckless to use it, when we have proof that something like vaccines, despite their risks, have literally wiped out dangerous, deadly diseases in either the world or individual countries?
Yes, we absolutely should retain the right to question and the right to choose.
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This isn't me being a sheep. It's me trusting the researchers and trained professionals more than some concerned parent who did some googling and read articles that have been proven to be bogus.
You don't have any kids, do you? Maybe someday you will and you'll decide to look into things more. Maybe not. You should have the choice to do so though. There is a lot of information out there and it's telling that you just think there is just one side to it. It's clearly not something you've spent much time researching.
They are in cases where individuals are mandated to take vaccines and then have reactions due to the fact that we don't all react the exact same way to all medications, vaccines, chemicals, foods, etc. That's kind of the point and a huge part of the reason why people need to be allowed to choose, free of coercion.
They don't have to see anyone that they don't want to see but don't assume that all doctors think like you. There are lots that understand the concept of choice and will educate but ultimately leave the decision up to the patient.
Please document one where someone was mandated, e.g. did not consent.
The pharmaceutical companies are entirely shielded from taking any responsibility in the event of serious adverse reactions yet we are supposed to blindly trust them. It's shocking that some don't see any sort of problem with that.
That's untrue and you know it. If the vaccine itself is at fault, e.g. contaminated or something, the pharmaceutical company can be held responsible.
Please document one where someone was mandated, e.g. did not consent.
The case in California where school entry will be denied to any child who is not 100% vaccinated according to schedule as deemed by the state of CA. This law will force people to vaccinate according to schedule, or else be denied the right to access public education. Some will be forced to vaccinate due to not having any other options available to them. If people are coerced into vaccinating and not making that choice on their own free will then it's not really a choice. If someone was forced to vaccinate in this manner has a serious reaction they have no recourse. It is very unethical to force people to vaccinate with no recourse. It is vaccination by FORCE. Some of you will never acknowledge this fact.
The case in California where school entry will be denied to any child who is not 100% vaccinated according to schedule as deemed by the state of CA. This law will force people to vaccinate according to schedule, or else be denied the right to access public education. Some will be forced to vaccinate due to not having any other options available to them. If people are coerced into vaccinating and not making that choice on their own free will then it's not really a choice. If someone was forced to vaccinate in this manner has a serious reaction they have no recourse. It is very unethical to force people to vaccinate with no recourse. It is vaccination by FORCE. Some of you will never acknowledge this fact.
No such case has happened yet. The law doesn't even go into effect until 2016. Please show evidence that this has happened. Maybe a case from Mississippi or W. Virginia?
They are in cases where individuals are mandated to take vaccines and then have reactions due to the fact that we don't all react the exact same way to all medications, vaccines, chemicals, foods, etc. That's kind of the point and a huge part of the reason why people need to be allowed to choose, free of coercion.
They don't have to see anyone that they don't want to see but don't assume that all doctors think like you. There are lots that understand the concept of choice and will educate but ultimately leave the decision up to the patient.
You are exposing a fundamental misunderstanding of the risks associated with vaccines. Those risks are there even though they are manufactured properly. The vaccine is not defective. There is nothing the people who make it could have done differently. That is why we do not hold the manufacturer responsible for adverse effects of the vaccine. The manufacturer does nothing to cause the adverse effects.
Anyone who decides to vaccinate in order for a child to attend school will be asked to read the vaccine information sheet, ask questions if he has any, and indicate that he understands the risks - which are very, very small and much lower than the risks of the disease(s) the vaccine prevents. Anyone not willing to accept those tiny risks, who perceives the risk of the vaccine to be too great, who believes vaccines cause autism, whatever concerns that make them feel vaccines are dangerous, should not vaccinate. That is a choice.
Many doctors are giving up on trying to persuade non-vaccinating parents to vaccinate, and I do not blame them. That includes many who have reluctantly gone along with patients who want "alternative" schedules in the past, despite there being no evidence that such schedules do anything except leave children susceptible to vaccine preventable diseases longer. Even "Dr. Bob" Sears, whose "alternative" schedule is used by many parents, says there is no reason to use it rather than the recommended standard schedule.
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