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Old 05-29-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Their aggregate birth cohorts actually go back 60-70 years, which is more than enough to establish a trend.

Read the full study - it's linked in the thread.

As for your second statement (bolded), continue reading:

"This may have happened for a few reasons, Schwadel said. "The growth in college education may have led to a different population of people going to college." In the 1920s, only elites attended universities; especially at a time when religiosity was almost uniformly part of American life, it makes sense that this very small group of top intellectuals were the most likely to reject religion. Now that higher education has gotten somewhat more economically diverse and a lot more widespread, though, it seems natural that intellectual diversity at the university level has grown, too.

But that doesn't explain Schwadel's most surprising finding: For people born during the 1970s, not going to college makes you more likely to say that you're not religious."
LOL. The trend you are trying to say is occurring doesn't go back 60-70 years. It's one decade in a study that goes back multiple decades. What's happening with those born in the 80's?

 
Old 05-29-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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How about the Mormon Church, which requires its members to give up coffee, tea and alcohol and wear special chastity underwear while requiring a annual contribution of 10% of their income? The Mormon Church is now one of the biggest landowners in some US states; do most people really want to give up 10% of their income to an entity that uses that money to buy up huge chunks of land and put up big ostentatious temples with it while telling them they can't even drink coffee?
Are you really as uninformed as you're coming across or is this just a pathetic attempt at humor?
 
Old 05-29-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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LOL. The trend you are trying to say is occurring doesn't go back 60-70 years. It's one decade in a study that goes back multiple decades. What's happening with those born in the 80's?
The birth cohorts range from the 1900s to the 1970s which is more than enough data to examine trends.

Schwadel explains why he excluded Millennials from the study:

"Young adults, especially when they leave their parents’ house in the traditional way when they’re 18—we often see that they say they have no religious affiliation, or they decline in religiosity in lots of ways. But this often rebounds in the late 20s," he said. The study measures religious affiliation over time, not when people are actually in college. "To make sure I’m not confusing generational differences with age effects, I couldn’t include anyone who was below 25 years of age in the analysis".
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Meanwhile, those with college educations in the US are now more likely to be religious than those without college education.

//www.city-data.com/forum/relig...ter-1960s.html

I wonder if it's possible to tie these two trends into a more parsimonious picture.

Flawed study.......college/no college is an odd parameter when comparing an older group (1960's for example is people that are 45-55 years old, a lot closer to death, losing loved ones like parents.....searching for answers...religion helps) than young people who think they will live forever!
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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Flawed study.......college/no college is an odd parameter when comparing an older group (1960's for example is people that are 45-55 years old, a lot closer to death, losing loved ones like parents.....searching for answers...religion helps) than young people who think they will live forever!
Not that you've understood the study, but it's actually the younger birth cohorts, not the older cohorts, who show a positive correlation between religious affiliation and college education.

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Old 05-29-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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The birth cohorts range from the 1900s to the 1970s which is more than enough data to examine trends.

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NOT if the "trend" only occurs in the most recent data and is not supported long-term.

And we don't know if it's supported long-term because there's no data after those born in 1979.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Try actually reading the study.

The samples are stratified by birth cohort, which negates your claims of age-related bias. Moreover, it's actually the younger birth cohorts, not the older cohorts, who show a positive correlation between religious affiliation and college education.
Well post a link to the study vs. a post to an older City Data thread..........
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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LoL @ bad parenting and lack of religion as the sole causes for the "inner city" youth problem. Geezz, CD never ceases to amaze me.
As if somehow good parenting & religion will produce jobs and economic opportunity in depressed areas.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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NOT if the "trend" only occurs in the most recent data and is not supported long-term.

And we don't know if it's supported long-term because there's no data after those born in 1979.
The post-reversion phase alone (which is merely part of the "trend") is sustained across two full birth cohorts that span a 10 year period. That's more than enough data to pass the most stringent peer review.

We've already gone over exclusion criteria for the later cohorts.

Anything you deign to conjecture outside of that is just speculative and/or wishful thinking.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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The post-reversion phase alone (which is merely part of the "trend") is sustained across two full birth cohorts that span a 10 year period. That's more than enough data to pass the most stringent peer review.

We've already gone over exclusion criteria for the later cohorts.

Anything you deign to conjecture outside of that is just speculative and/or wishful thinking.
The "trend" is like an incomplete graph. 1920's-down, 1930's-down, 1940's-down, 1950's-down, 1960's down, 1970's-up------"OMG, what does this mean?" Statistically, it means nothing. In order for the "trend" to be meaningful, it has to continue to the next decade. The decade that wasn't sampled. No one born after 1979 was sampled. So you can't say anything about them. You can't say whether or not they continue the "trend". Anything you deign to conjecture outside of that is just speculative and/or wishful thinking.
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