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Racists people have to look for reinforcement for their racists views, otherwise they'd have to be held accountable by their own consciousness. So, when racists see any black person committing a heinous act, they call them racially motivated names and say "see how black people are." not those individually, but you already know this, so why be upset. I am not.
A white person is a white person.
A black person is black people.
You might want to stop saying "see how all black people are treated", "if they were white the police wouldn't have done anything" I hear it daily.
Hell, black people on here who object to certain stereotypes on here are even called racist until people find out they are black and immune to being racist. Just stop it already.
Look at the statistics and think about why they get profiled. Work on lowering the number of crimes committed in relation the the demographic numbers and wa la, profiling gone.
You might want to stop saying "see how all black people are treated", "if they were white the police wouldn't have done anything" I hear it daily.
Hell, black people on here who object to certain stereotypes on here are even called racist until people find out they are black and immune to being racist. Just stop it already.
Look at the statistics and think about why they get profiled. Work on lowering the number of crimes committed in relation the the demographic numbers and wa la, profiling gone.
Guess what! These girls just F'ed it up. for everyone. Do black people want these girls to represent them? Nope.
Things were already bad before such behavior took place. This is where I am coming from. I don't make any excuses for this girl's behavior. I'm not going down the arguments of this that and the other. I just chalk it up to she is a violent girl whose parents(or parent) didn't raise her properly.
Personally, I do not care about what those statistics say. Yes, I know what they say. No, I do not deny them. In fact, I've admitted to those statistics several times on other threads. That said, those statistics have nothing to do with ME and anything I do. That is why I have a problem with profiling. It makes it harder for me. I do not care why anyone is doing it. Just as no one cares why that girl did what she did. Results matter more than anything. The results of getting profiled, it teaches me that the idea of all things being equal is a lie.
And you say "work on lowering the numbers". I'm already doing MY part by not being a criminal. I cannot control what another criminal does. Whenever I hear someone say "lower your crime rate and we'll treat you better", I shake my head. Individuals choose not to commit crimes. One cannot get any group to suddenly stop doing things. Individuals stop what they are doing. This is the USA, where individualism is a major factor among its citizens. I'm already doing my part by not committing crime. This whole idea of "they commit crimes, so you must suffer too" is stupid and goes against what America is suppose to be about.
And I've listened to Chris Rock. Alot of Black people who are decent, who have the resources to leave, they vote with their feet. No, I do not think most Blacks want to be associated with criminals, or live near them. Why do you think alot of middle class Blacks have moved to the suburbs?
Things were already bad before such behavior took place. This is where I am coming from. I don't make any excuses for this girl's behavior. I'm not going down the arguments of this that and the other. I just chalk it up to she is a violent girl whose parents(or parent) didn't raise her properly.
Personally, I do not care about what those statistics say. Yes, I know what they say. No, I do not deny them. In fact, I've admitted to those statistics several times on other threads. That said, those statistics have nothing to do with ME and anything I do. That is why I have a problem with profiling. It makes it harder for me. I do not care why anyone is doing it. Just as no one cares why that girl did what she did. Results matter more than anything. The results of getting profiled, it teaches me that the idea of all things being equal is a lie.
And you say "work on lowering the numbers". I'm already doing MY part by not being a criminal. I cannot control what another criminal does. Whenever I hear someone say "lower your crime rate and we'll treat you better", I shake my head. Individuals choose not to commit crimes. One cannot get any group to suddenly stop doing things. Individuals stop what they are doing. This is the USA, where individualism is a major factor among its citizens. I'm already doing my part by not committing crime. This whole idea of "they commit crimes, so you must suffer too" is stupid and goes against what America is suppose to be about.
And I've listened to Chris Rock. Alot of Black people who are decent, who have the resources to leave, they vote with their feet. No, I do not think most Blacks want to be associated with criminals, or live near them. Why do you think alot of middle class Blacks have moved to the suburbs?
Nice post......I think we could actually chalk this up to "tough girls." I knew these girls in school when I was in high school, back in the day! Some girls, like guys, like to fight or pick fights. Nothing to do with color and everything to do with crappy personalities. Too bad this person didn't see it was not going to be a fight and her total disrespect for a small child, is what gives her the b*tch award!
Nice post......I think we could actually chalk this up to "tough girls." I knew these girls in school when I was in high school, back in the day! Some girls, like guys, like to fight or pick fights. Nothing to do with color and everything to do with crappy personalities. Too bad this person didn't see it was not going to be a fight and her total disrespect for a small child, is what gives her the b*tch award!
The "tough girls" phenomenon is nothing new either. My father went to elementary school and junior high school during the 1960s. He was born and raised in the inner city. He told me about how kids would fight alot, and how even the girls would fight too.
This however, where disrespect for a child was shown, I've never seen that in my life, not in person.
The "tough girls" phenomenon is nothing new either. My father went to elementary school and junior high school during the 1960s. He was born and raised in the inner city. He told me about how kids would fight alot, and how even the girls would fight too.
This however, where disrespect for a child was shown, I've never seen that in my life, not in person.
I was in high school in the 70's and knew a couple of girls like this. I was just glad I was friends with them, from a distance. I hate to fight and I am not very big they were there if anyone wanted to pick on me.....lucky for me this was not my issue in school.....thank God!
I have to say, it is becoming very disturbing, that women are wanting to be just as violent as men. I think I get more disturbed by abusive women, than abusive men. Then again, the punishment is not tough enough and this is why so many don't keep their temper in check.
Strange how society is going backwards with human respect.
Things were already bad before such behavior took place. This is where I am coming from. I don't make any excuses for this girl's behavior. I'm not going down the arguments of this that and the other. I just chalk it up to she is a violent girl whose parents(or parent) didn't raise her properly.
Personally, I do not care about what those statistics say. Yes, I know what they say. No, I do not deny them. In fact, I've admitted to those statistics several times on other threads. That said, those statistics have nothing to do with ME and anything I do. That is why I have a problem with profiling. It makes it harder for me. I do not care why anyone is doing it. Just as no one cares why that girl did what she did. Results matter more than anything. The results of getting profiled, it teaches me that the idea of all things being equal is a lie.
And you say "work on lowering the numbers". I'm already doing MY part by not being a criminal. I cannot control what another criminal does. Whenever I hear someone say "lower your crime rate and we'll treat you better", I shake my head. Individuals choose not to commit crimes. One cannot get any group to suddenly stop doing things. Individuals stop what they are doing. This is the USA, where individualism is a major factor among its citizens. I'm already doing my part by not committing crime. This whole idea of "they commit crimes, so you must suffer too" is stupid and goes against what America is suppose to be about.
And I've listened to Chris Rock. Alot of Black people who are decent, who have the resources to leave, they vote with their feet. No, I do not think most Blacks want to be associated with criminals, or live near them. Why do you think alot of middle class Blacks have moved to the suburbs?
This is the problem. It takes a village, and a community whose empowered to do so. What you basically said was decent black citizens ignore this problem. Well, you were able to come together and get a flag down that has been in place for centuries yet you can't raise the same ruckus about your own demographic? The week of that racial killing there were several other gunman shooting into crowds of people but as I was told they were just gangs, or poor blacks. They do this all the time, it's not even news anymore. Really? It should be. It should cause outrage. It should gain attention in your communities.
I think we all agree that it does effect us when a portion of us act like criminals. We don't want that representation. It shames our community when someone acts that way and we all work at correcting the behavior. Being poor isn't an excuse, being beat down by society isn't an excuse. This only makes us work harder to remove the stereotype. We want respect! Not sympathy.
From afar I can clearly see the problem. We have lost the family dynamics in poor areas. You have lost the feeling of safety among your own people. You have lost your safety net. It doesn't matter how you lost it, or if it wasn't there to begin with. All blacks need to secure it. You are as good as your weakest link. It doesn't matter how far you run from it. For your people, these girls and their communities, their parents are your weakest link. Fix the problem like you brought the flag down. Don't take "no" for an answer.
Most of what we see from the outside is how you are victims. You focus on what you cannot do or get from society. You'll never change the profile that way. Sympathy loses to respect. Respect will get you further than sympathy. Redefine whats cool in your demographic. It doesn't matter how you got here, or where you come from. It matters where you end up. The farther you had to come, the more respect you will gain.
I often talk with my black friends on these topics. I say, you need to let gangs of Tiger Moms out in your poor communities and watch the transformation happen. lol Instead of hanging out on the street, they'll be hanging at the Kumon after school. Before you know it they will own half of the city. Make the trend to wear glasses cooler than the trend to have gold teeth. Vote for heavy consequences, vote for those who will shed light on this problem.
Unfortunately the loudest voice is often the ugliest. This is why it matters. This is true for all demographics. Whites have been slacking as well. I truly believe prejudice in this country is dwindling. I hope we all take this opportunity to change. All of us. We all need to define what our youth should be doing, what path they should take. Of course the majority of us are good people, and therefore we have the strength and determination to fix problems. Running from them, or acting like it doesn't take us all will have bad consequences. It always does.
The current view in many circles is that these are problems white people are supposed to fix. That people behave in this manner because of white people's racism. Yes, the roots of the extremely complex issue is slavery, but this doesn't remove responsibility from individuals. The black community is the one in a position to effect change in its own community. We all know the difference between right and wrong. In unprovoked violence, it is clear and not relative at all.
Piggy-backing on Poppysead's post, let it be cool to have respect for yourself, others and the environment, let it be cool to show love and compassion for all people, let it be cool to take personal responsibility.
Stop making excuses for violent, animal-like behavior. You know what's right? Treat others how you would like to be treated.
I didn't make excuses. I already said that what she did was wrong TO ME. In fact my post was really just pointing out that everything is relative. What she did was wrong to me and many others but obviously not to her and others that operate from beliefs similar to her.
I didn't make excuses. I already said that what she did was wrong TO ME. In fact my post was really just pointing out that everything is relative. What she did was wrong to me and many others but obviously not to her and others that operate from beliefs similar to her.
That belief system will never be embraced and will always be rejected and is the reason why some black people believe they are rejected by white folk for their color when in reality it is their culture that is rejected.
This is the problem. It takes a village, and a community whose empowered to do so. What you basically said was decent black citizens ignore this problem. Well, you were able to come together and get a flag down that has been in place for centuries yet you can't raise the same ruckus about your own demographic? The week of that racial killing there were several other gunman shooting into crowds of people but as I was told they were just gangs, or poor blacks. They do this all the time, it's not even news anymore. Really? It should be. It should cause outrage. It should gain attention in your communities.
I think we all agree that it does effect us when a portion of us act like criminals. We don't want that representation. It shames our community when someone acts that way and we all work at correcting the behavior. Being poor isn't an excuse, being beat down by society isn't an excuse. This only makes us work harder to remove the stereotype. We want respect! Not sympathy.
From afar I can clearly see the problem. We have lost the family dynamics in poor areas. You have lost the feeling of safety among your own people. You have lost your safety net. It doesn't matter how you lost it, or if it wasn't there to begin with. All blacks need to secure it. You are as good as your weakest link. It doesn't matter how far you run from it. For your people, these girls and their communities, their parents are your weakest link. Fix the problem like you brought the flag down. Don't take "no" for an answer.
Most of what we see from the outside is how you are victims. You focus on what you cannot do or get from society. You'll never change the profile that way. Sympathy loses to respect. Respect will get you further than sympathy. Redefine whats cool in your demographic. It doesn't matter how you got here, or where you come from. It matters where you end up. The farther you had to come, the more respect you will gain.
I often talk with my black friends on these topics. I say, you need to let gangs of Tiger Moms out in your poor communities and watch the transformation happen. lol Instead of hanging out on the street, they'll be hanging at the Kumon after school. Before you know it they will own half of the city. Make the trend to wear glasses cooler than the trend to have gold teeth. Vote for heavy consequences, vote for those who will shed light on this problem.
Unfortunately the loudest voice is often the ugliest. This is why it matters. This is true for all demographics. Whites have been slacking as well. I truly believe prejudice in this country is dwindling. I hope we all take this opportunity to change. All of us. We all need to define what our youth should be doing, what path they should take. Of course the majority of us are good people, and therefore we have the strength and determination to fix problems. Running from them, or acting like it doesn't take us all will have bad consequences. It always does.
A lot of what you said is right but like Ive said in other threads there are already initatives in many cities to target the youth, gangs and crime. There are already many blacks within these communities that try to organize programs, activities and meetings to work on many of these issues. Black people that don't live in these areas and have no affliation to people in these areas have about as much power in transforming these communities as you do. Which means minimal. The assumption that our black skin somehow means that no matter who the person is we have the almighty power to change every black person in the USA is ridiculous.
Even in times where marches and riots have been organized it's been concentrated in specific communities by specific people within these communities and certainly has not been organized by every black person in America. With the civil rights movement every single person with black skin was treated unfairly so we all banded together because of that commonality-the injustice of what was being done to us.
The crime, poverty and gang violence is complex and requires a complete drastic change in beliefs amongst many other things most of which are actually in the peoples control, some which will require outside assistance, but it applies to those living or from these environments doing the work. It isn't about "good" black citizens or bad black citizens ignoring, or perpetuating problems it's about the fact that these problems really only apply in these concentrated areas for these populations of black people and until they themselves. I could elaborate but I will merely say the difference between the black people living in these areas versus the ones that do not are completely different belief systems. Opposite beliefs and thinking repels one group from the other especially when certain beliefs are so engrained that work as deadweights to ever even getting to the place of making the decisions that those that live much different lives make.
That's not to say that they're doomed because I fully believe that everyone has the power to create their own realities and drastically change their beliefs. However what it does mean is that is not as simplistic as you want to make it. Being that I have personal experience and affiliation with those within some of these specific areas I can also say that most of these people could care less about whites and dont mention whites nor do they blame them the way those on citydata love to claim. Glimpses given by the media that depict handfuls of blacks rioting or targeting whites specifically blaming them for something are just that-glimpses that rarely tell the entire picture or accurately defines the majority of these people. It's amusing though that this is the thought-how narcissistic to assume that blacks blame whites for their problems and want whites to save them. It simply is not true. Whites are rarely talked about in these communities.
Finally no I disagree. Yes it takes a village but the actions of those in separate villages that have little in common with mine do not reflect or represent me. Why? Because I don't allow them to. I am my own person. Yes I'm black but im more than just that and I refuse to allow people like you to tell me what I need to do in order to look better to YOU.
Let me make this clear, you don't know me and if you are so ignorant that you would allow the actions of others that only share my skin to reflect on your perception of me then that is on you, as in it reflects your ignorance not mine. Furthermore I could care less what you and anyone else thinks about me. It kills me that people think that some of us even give two s**** that you think Ill of us as if that should prompt me to whip myself in gear. While when any other individual from another racial group commits a crime and this does not reflect on that race because they are individuals. You guys are silly. I don't even think some of you are attune to your own beliefs. You want to lecture and tell us what we need to do to look better to you as if your stuff doesn't stink and then you wonder why some of us continue to be nfg(no f*** given) about your opinion. Nah I'm good.
I do think you meant to write what you did in good intention because in all honesty some of what you said sounds great, but I think the key is that other people like yourself really need to chill with trying to tell us what we need or should do. We aren't asking you for advice so you don't have to provide it and think you did something great.
Sorry if this is offensive-im just being honest.
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