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The early designers of the United States of America struggled with the concept of owning people as property. Some agreed & some disagreed, it was one of the largest debates during the Constitutional Congress. They compromised by beginning with the institution of slavery intact, they were, I think, pragmatic anarchists.
When considering the designers of the Confederate States of America, I think it's helpful to look at their Constitution, how did they intend to be different from the United States?
The founding fathers were wishy-washy about the whole slavery issue. The Confederates had their minds made up and were willing to die to keep it. The Confederate Constitution proves it. Anyone who wants to keep downplaying slavery after seeing the Confederate Constitution, well there is a major intellectual and cognitive dissonance going on.
I have to wonder what else is next in line to offend everyone?
Well, I'd like to start off at saying that I'm offended by so many people being offended at just about everything these days.
We might, I mean just might, have some slightly bigger problems to solve in this country that need addressing but I know that's crazy to suggest such a thing given we are dealing with these other life altering "problems" such as the Confederate flag that affect the large majority of Americans. Good grief.
Nobody is fighting for the right to keep Mexicans in slavery here in the US. What 79% of the people want is for Congress to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill that will solve the problem once and for all. The right wing will sell you a bill of goods and say that if you're not for deporting every single illegal alien then you are for illegal immigration. This is simply not true. Here you portray the Mexicans as downtrodden slaves of American industry while if you move over one forum, your compatriots are claiming Mexican immigrants are riding the gravy train of American Largess. Which is it?
What Americans Want From Immigration Reform in 2014 At present, 62% of Americans favor providing a way for immigrants who are currently living in the United States illegally to become citizens provided they meet certain requirements, while 17% support allowing them to become permanent legal residents but not citizens, and roughly 1-in-5 (19%) favor a policy that would identify and deport all immigrants living in the United States illegally.
Additionally, I have read all 158 pages of this thread and one thing stands out above all. The Seditious Bast***s who started the Civil war have never left. They just went to ground after the Civil War but they remain with us. Whenever an event turns over the rocks they hide under, they come scuttling out proclaiming their just cause for secession as they attempt to rewrite history. It's only been 150 years. The American memory is better than that.
Come back in another two hundred years and then tell us that trying to destroy the Union of the United States was an honorable cause. In the meantime, scuttle back under the rocks you came out from, Go back to the shadows, next to the McCarthy's, John Birchers, KKK and racists where you belong.
Sorry to be so harsh, but that is my honest, true feelings.
Edited to add: One more thing.
You attempt to blame the banning of the confederate flag on liberal PCism. That's a joke. Look how fast the South Carolina Republican legislature turned tail and overwhelmingly denounced the cause, the flag and it's future place in South Carolina.
So either it is the right thing to do, morally, or they turned tail and folded like a cheap suit under the scrutiny of public opinion.
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trying to destroy the Union
They wanted to "withdraw" from it. Propaganda spread around the globe about the them destroying the Union and people continue to fall for it, even today.
I understood what I read in the original documents written in Kings English. Concluded the Confederacy was being railroaded by the Union. That same tactic is being use today.
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 07-09-2015 at 12:06 AM..
The founding fathers were wishy-washy about the whole slavery issue. The Confederates had their minds made up and were willing to die to keep it. The Confederate Constitution proves it. Anyone who wants to keep downplaying slavery after seeing the Confederate Constitution, well there is a major intellectual and cognitive dissonance going on.
I get you, green_mariner, they were wishy-washy, in hindsight, compromising on the issue of slavery was a horrific mistake.
I suppose downplaying slavery is showing loyalty to ancestors while including loyalty to their mistakes. It's not healthy, doesn't make sense & is damaging on many levels.
The status of the Negro, where as the Union, was freeing them without making it to where they could provide for themselves through property ownership, education, or anything else. They set them free, so as they could incorporate them into the war.
If you will read the documents as a whole, you will get that, I'm sure. But as long as a person is focused intent on one thing and one thing only, then they will totally miss it.
I understood what I read in the original documents written in Kings English. Concluded the Confederacy was being railroaded by the Union. That same tactic is being use today.
Your first response is inconsistent with your second.
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Good grief. 
Nothing has changed ...
