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Old 06-25-2015, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States) ignoring the plain language of the law may mean that SCOTUS doesn't believe that Congress would re-enacted another version of Omamacare that would provide the same entitlements.
That's because there is no uniform design. That and you would need to continue Obamacare until you have a full replacement even if it is unconstitutional. Otherwise those that instantly lost coverage would turn into an angry electorate, bigger than the conservatives that were mad about the law in the first place.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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Instead of trying to destroy the ACA, maybe the Republicans should try to improve it? No, I guess then they could no longer whine.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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This means nothing. I will now support the GOP to cancel this law in total. They will start by defunding it.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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More ammunition for the GOP in the next election.
Uh huh... sure...

Unfortunately for Republicans, the big game in the next election is the Presidency, and 2012 demonstrated that railing against the Affordable Care Act isn't strong enough ammunition to bag that quarry. Why would it be any different in 2016?

Indeed, any judicious look at reality shows that it should be much less effective next year. In 2012 the issue was fresh. The Democratic nominee was the architect of the ACA to the degree that Republicans hung it around his neck with the label 'ObamaCare'. Mitt Romney made abolishing the ACA 'root and branch' (as it endless put it) a centerpiece of his campaign. And?

And President Obama won an easily reelection.

It's no more unpopular now (the ACA was at 43% unfavorability just before the 2012 election - it's now at 42% unfavorability). It's relatively old news now. The laughable 'death panels' claims have long been demonstrated to be the shameless lies that they were. And Barack Obama won't be on any ballots in 2016.
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But hey, it's Utopia now - all those rainbows and unicorns flying around........
Prop up that strawman and beat the stuffing out of it...

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Instead of trying to destroy the ACA, maybe the Republicans should try to improve it? No, I guess then they could no longer whine.
The nihilist party of 'no' has no constructive answers.

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This means nothing. I will now support the GOP to cancel this law in total. They will start by defunding it.
Too bad they have neither the 60 votes in the Senate to do so, nor anywhere close to the supermajorities in both houses required to override the inevitable Presidential veto. Nor, frankly, on the off-chance that they both win the Presidency in 2016 and actually want to repeal the ACA, will they get anywhere close to the numbers required in the Senate. Next year the Democrats defend a mere 10 blue state seats in the Senate, while the GOP has to defend 24 seats, 7 of them in states Obama carried twice.

The ACA is clearly here to stay.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Instead of trying to destroy the ACA, maybe the Republicans should try to improve it? No, I guess then they could no longer whine.

You can't polish a turd. The only way to improve it will be to abolish it.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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This means nothing. I will now support the GOP to cancel this law in total. They will start by defunding it.
After this decision that is highly unlikely, this was the last hope for dismantling it. With the subsidies intact de-funding it would be so wildly unpopular that there would be a whole bunch of Republican politicians unwilling to risk re-election by voting for that.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You can't polish a turd. The only way to improve it will be to abolish it.
So we go back to the old system?
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Here's my CNN Breaking News Alert:

President BarackObama recalled all the hurdles the Affordable Care Act has cleared in order tosurvive as he praised the Supreme Court's decision today to uphold thesubsidies in his signature health care law.

"The Affordable Care Act is here to stay," Obama said from the WhiteHouse.

"Americans would have gone backwards and that's not what we do, that's notwhat America does, we move forward."
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It's nothing different than the famous Clinton argument "depends what the meaning of "is" is.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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People now have access to a health insurance card tied to a huge deductible. Does that necessarily equal health care?
My bronze plan costs 1K per month covers no ilness until 6K in deductibles is paid. This bad policy is now cemented in place due to this ruling.
Thanks for nothing.

I have some empathy for you.

Unfortunately, a lot of people do not understand what you just laid out.

They see Obamacare as "Yay! We have HEALTH INSURANCE!!".

But what they don't understand is that if you have high deductibles, high co-pays, and high out-of-pocket maximums, what you actually have is an albatross tied to your neck. In your situation, you will have contributed $18,000 on an annualized basis BEFORE your "insurance" kicks in.

That's not Affordable Care, but it is an Act. It's all been an Act.

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