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I simply do not like the idea of being forced into health insurance, or health CARE, when you do not want it. While my view may not be the norm for people my age, I am sure a lot of YOUNG PEOPLE will agree. You WANT it, and medical treatment, that is YOUR choice and should be available, but not if you DON'T.
I am good with people who don't want medical treatment or health insurance.
I just want to be sure that if they get sick or hurt they don't try to sneak in the back door and get treatment, the cost of which falls on the rest of us.
The solution is simple. Hospitals and emergency rooms should not be required to treat anyone unable to pay. There should be a triage nurse that looks at the patient and either admits or denies them entry into the facility. That is the way a MASH unit works.
But EMTALA, the law requiring hospitals to provide ER care to everyone was Reagan's health care plan (I swear it was- look it up yourself)
I wish they'd just pick one or the other, are we capitalist or socialist. This middle of the road prevents either from working properly so we get screwed every time.
Do you really think the choice is that simple? Name a country who's either purely capitalist or purely socialist.
As long as the U.S. has things like Social Security and Medicare, we won't be pure capitalist...and very few people have an issue with those programs.
Indeed, it states that subsidies are available for exchanges "established by the State." The "state" is then defined to include the 50 states plus DC. Not the Federal government. Nothing ambiguous here.
You are forgetting the "intent" of the law. Roberts has the intellect not to invoke politics.
The key thing about the ACA was getting rid of that absurd "pre-existing condition" baloney. What a crock. There is no reason why hardworking self-employed job creators shouldn't be able to buy insurance on the same basis as government and corporate employees.
Amazingly, no politician until Obama came along ever had the gumption to get up on his hind legs and do something about it. I'm not saying Obama is great because of that but he at least fixed this ridiculous situation, which you can't say for any other politician, Democrat or Republican.
The key thing about the ACA was getting rid of that absurd "pre-existing condition" baloney. What a crock. There is no reason why hardworking self-employed job creators shouldn't be able to buy insurance on the same basis as government and corporate employees.
Amazingly, no politician until Obama came along ever had the gumption to get up on his hind legs and do something about it. I'm not saying Obama is great because of that but he at least fixed this ridiculous situation, which you can't say for any other politician, Democrat or Republican.
I guess my parents are lucky. They are low income but do not qualify for any state plans. They have a silver plan and because of their income, they receive a substantial amount of credit and for both of them pay $100something/month. Their prescriptions are reasonably priced. And I was very thankful when they were able to acquire insurance, because both of my parents have a myriad of health issues and my dad has two heart conditions---he had been disqualified from a city job because he failed the physical due to these heart conditions. I don't think anyone would have insured them before and if someone would have, their insurance costs would have been insane.
Thanks for sharing your story. Happy to learn ACA is working for your folks!
Now, if only Obama would understand Roberts' statement that Congress makes laws, not the Supreme Court. Or the president .
Now, if only conservatives who get their news from Limbaugh and Hannity and the like would comprehend that President Obama has issued executive orders at a lower rate than any President since Grover Cleveland, who left office in 1897. But don't take my word for it. When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker - Forbes Forbes - not exactly a hotbed of wild-eyed leftists.
Or you could just look at the enumeration of all executive orders ever issued by every President and see for yourself. Executive Orders
But don't let reality get in the way of the nonsense Fox & company are shoveling.
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Not surprising. Whatever they blackmailed Roberts with the first time around was likely to sway his hand this time as well.
You people really live in a fantasy world.
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I simply do not like the idea of being forced into health insurance, or health CARE, when you do not want it. While my view may not be the norm for people my age, I am sure a lot of YOUNG PEOPLE will agree. You WANT it, and medical treatment, that is YOUR choice and should be available, but not if you DON'T.
And I don't like the idea of people deciding not to get insurance, then showing up at the emergency room of a place like my local hospital - a fine institution owned by the city (ie, the taxpayers, including myself) - and then the city (again, the taxpayers) having to foot the bill.
Don't want to buy insurance? Then don't. Run your foolish risk. That's an option. But you still need to pay the penalty, and well you should, because you do not and can not know that you won't have a seizure in the next five minutes, or get t-boned when some fool blows a stop sign the next time you drive to the grocery store, or all manner of pitfalls than happen to uninsured people ever day. And they show up, get treatment, and I have to foot the bill through my taxes because you didn't think it was fair that you had to have insurance?
Cry me a river, but you get no sympathy from me.
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But EMTALA, the law requiring hospitals to provide ER care to everyone was Reagan's health care plan (I swear it was- look it up yourself)
Indeed it was. And the guardians of the shrine of St. Ronald will probably bleat something along the lines of 'Democrat Congress!', oblivious to the fact that, yes, the veto actually existed when Reagan was President so he didn't have to sign the bill into law and, yes, the Republicans (not the Democrats) controlled the Senate in 1986 when it passed, so it was hardly like a 'Democratic Congress' foisted it on a helpless President Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...tive_Labor_Act
This is not to say that I oppose it - I don't. It's who we are. We take care of people. That's why we ahve EMTALA. And it's why we have the ACA.
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See this is why i don't mess with Right anymore. You people are nutter than any Left Liberal Ive ever met!
Socialism
Public roads? Good idea.
Public utilities? Of course.
Public schools, law enforcement, parks, flood insurance, airports, universities, subways? Makes sense.
Public health care? OMG, socialism!
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