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Old 06-30-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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Lol, unless you're native American, same can be said for everyone else in the USA, lol!
Grab a clue. There were no "native" Americans. Their ancestors migrated here just like the Europeans did. The Europeans did not come here illegally. There were no immigration laws back then anyway.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:09 AM
 
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Grab a clue. There were no "native" Americans. Their ancestors migrated here just like the Europeans did. The Europeans did not come here illegally. There were no immigration laws back then anyway.
Native Americans had territorial laws that disallowed immigration on to their lands. The Europeans violated those laws and thus came into these territories illegally.

Perhaps you should grab a clue and some basic law classes to boot.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:09 AM
 
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I don't know why the US doesn't officially go bilingual (English/Spanish) rather than forever try to fight against the current. It'd do Americans good to learn another language, learn to adapt to others, and it'd connect the US to much more of the western hemisphere.

Should Spanish speaking immigrants learn English? Sí. But vice versa should apply as well.
Nonsense! We are an English speaking country and immigrants should adopt our language not the other way around. Americans have done just fine being English speakers. The only reason that Spanish is increasing here is directly due to illegal immigration. Most Hispanic-Americans know English so we already have our national language to communicate with them in.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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I don't know why the US doesn't officially go bilingual (English/Spanish) rather than forever try to fight against the current. It'd do Americans good to learn another language, learn to adapt to others, and it'd connect the US to much more of the western hemisphere.

Should Spanish speaking immigrants learn English? Sí. But vice versa should apply as well.
The reason we don't officially go bilingual is because we aren't a bilingual country and were never intended to be. If you look into how this nations laws were structured and the history behind them and our founding fathers, you'll learn that the founding fathers intentionally left it open for change. They realized that people of previous generations should not mandate structure of future generations as societies change and that is the very reason why "America" was becoming independent from England. British laws didn't work with newer societies. The founding fathers were smart enough to know that the culture, demographics, language and religion would be continuously changing in the "vast lands" and the government must adapt to it's people. Not enforce laws of the previous generations that no longer make sense.

To declare us bilingual today would impose the same kind of laws we left England for on our own people.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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Clearly, you haven't studied law as you're making up all sorts of stuff. There is no requirement for written laws created by a formal governing entity for laws to have been established. Societies can establish unwritten laws organically and this was the case for many societies back then. Native Americans had territorial laws and Europeans violated these laws. Similar to how illegal immigrants are violating our territorial laws today.

I suggest you actually learn the basics about law instead of making stuff up as you please.
Again, there were no "native" Americans. Their ancestors migrated to this continent just like the European ones did. What happened back then doesn't begin to compare to modern day immigration laws that by the way every country has. I suggest you bring yourself up to 2015. This has nothing to do with the U.S. establishing English as our national de facto language long ago. All of our government documents and the Constitution is in English....deal with it. Why are the so-called natives speaking Spanish instead of some indo language anyway? It is a white European language just as English is.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:39 AM
 
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You are saying there is no economic opportunity to be had by trading with our closest neighbors. Neighbors who share a very similar culture and heritage. That is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Business opportunities very by location and industry. Please think these things through.
You're right. Most Americans don't have jobs dealing with Latin America anyway and the language of business is English across the world.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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I don't know why the US doesn't officially go bilingual (English/Spanish) rather than forever try to fight against the current.
The U.S. will never go bilingual.

First, Asians are the fastest growing population, and the Hispanic influx has basically stagnated, so it isn't like the U.S. will be vastly more Hispanic than today. Second, Latinos all learn English by the second generation anyways.

Ever been to East LA, or the South Bronx, or Miami? English is the first language, even in the 99% Hispanic parts. The kids all speak English. They only speak Spanish when with their abuelita.

And third, English is the world's language. Been to Latin America lately? English is now mandatory in public schools in most countries. In 50 years most of the world will speak at least limited English.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The square miles of Switzerland is smaller than each of 41 U.S. States. Nonetheless, there are 4 national languages, a German dialect, Italian, French and Romanish. Most Swiss are bilingual. Being bilingual has cognitive advantages.

This may be a factor why the U.S. has consistently scored " middle of the pack" when compared to the rest of the developed world, going back to the 60's , when comparisons were first made.

Then there's the whole learned Ebonics thing- millions of U.S. people who do not speak standard English.

Those who are not fluent in standard English are at a disadvantage for employment opportunities. Those who are bilingual often have more opportunities.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I don't know why the US doesn't officially go bilingual (English/Spanish) rather than forever try to fight against the current. It'd do Americans good to learn another language, learn to adapt to others, and it'd connect the US to much more of the western hemisphere.

Should Spanish speaking immigrants learn English? Sí. But vice versa should apply as well.
This is something I have become increasingly in favor of. I believe we should become officially bilingual with English and Spanish as the co-official national languages. As you said, why fight (a losing fight) against the current? Change - whether we want it or not - is constant in our lives ... and our changing demographics are no exception.

Instead of being a rock in a river I would rather we become the water ...
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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My in-laws, long deceased, immigrated to the U.S. from Europe in the early 50's . Like most new immigrants they quickly got busy creating an anchor baby. They managed to live, work, pay taxes , own property and become U.S. citizens, without understanding or speaking English.

They lived in the Ukrainian Village of Chicago where it was possible to bank, worship, consume , work and relate to their neighbors without knowing English.

Their kids learned English in school.

This has been a common scenario with immigrants all along.
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