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Old 07-21-2015, 02:34 PM
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Ah ha! A trick question, since foiled attacks have not been committed.

There's probably a greater chance of experiencing violence from those opposed to abortions than from Muslims here in the U.S.

Interesting you say that, because Islam, like all religions, and like the anti-abortionists, like veganism etc is an ideology. Its voluntary, you are not born with it. And, as with all ideologies, your ideological beliefs may naturally offend me. There really is no moral comparison to prohibiting discrimination based on something you are born as - such as being black, being female, likely being homosexual, and discriminating based on something you believe. The vegan association of America would be ok discriminating against hiring a carnivore as their chairperson, but not discriminating because the applicant is black or female, for example.

Your belief system doesn't get a free pass just because you put a sticky label saying "Religion" on it. Sure you're free to believe whatever the heck you want, and I respect your right to believe it, but I don't automatically respect what you believe. You believe in female circumcision? Don't respect that. You believe in cutting an animals throat and killing it? Don't respect that. You believe people so distraught and effed up they commit suicide will be punished forever? Don't respect that. You believe women should be subjugated by men? Don't respect that. (These aren't Islam-specific examples)

Religions are just ideologies - they are voluntary. And they can often be repugnant to human rights.

Of course because they are that, voluntary beliefs inside your head, you can't tell just by looking at someone if they have beliefs x, y and z. So this guy is nuts anyway.
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Old 07-21-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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Terrorism is a different question than the hysteria surrounding Tall Traveller's proclamation of the imminent institution of Sharia Law in the United States.

Let's just take your number though. My population figures mean that around 1.6 million Americans are Muslim. Since 2007 exactly 50 American citizens and permanent residents have been arrested or charged in connection with terrorist attacks here at home or abroad. If we want to extend that number back to 1995 with the first World Trade Center bombing we are looking at less than 100.

Less than 100 in a population of 1.6 million...that's equal to .0000625% Meaning approximately 1 out of every 100,000 Muslims in the US has ever been connected to a terrorist act.

...but hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good scare agenda...
Terrorism itself is one thing - Muslims do very well in those numbers compared to other Minority religions. The real worry is the support for terrorism among Muslims in the name of Islam.

25% of British Muslims say the 7/7 London bombings were justified.
Almost a quarter of Muslims believe 7/7 was justified | Daily Mail Online
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Old 07-21-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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Terrorism itself is one thing - Muslims do very well in those numbers compared to other Minority religions. The real worry is the support for terrorism among Muslims in the name of Islam.

25% of British Muslims say the 7/7 London bombings were justified.
Almost a quarter of Muslims believe 7/7 was justified | Daily Mail Online
I thought this conversation was about American Muslim. When did British citizen start representing Americans
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:01 PM
 
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Terrorism itself is one thing - Muslims do very well in those numbers compared to other Minority religions. The real worry is the support for terrorism among Muslims in the name of Islam.

25% of British Muslims say the 7/7 London bombings were justified.
Almost a quarter of Muslims believe 7/7 was justified | Daily Mail Online
That article is over 9 years old and concerns the feelings of Muslims in the UK during the peak of British political fallout over their support of the US in the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. The poll questioned 1,000 people and found that 23% believed that the attacks were justified. Another poll conducted by the London Times and cited in the article showed only 13% thought the attacks were justified.

You are quoting a nearly decade old article, with conflicting polls, about a different country, written at a different time. Exactly what did you think you were going to prove?
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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You people calling this guy an idiot are the idiots. This guy just got free publicity with this stunt. He knows his target customers and will receive increased business because of this statement. He can say he won't sell to muslims all he wants, perfectly legal until muslims show up to buy, pass a background check, and he refuses to sell to them based upon their religion and then it becomes a possible illegal act. Until this happens, he can say whatever he wants and he'll get increased business from his target customers.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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That article is over 9 years old and concerns the feelings of Muslims in the UK during the peak of British political fallout over their support of the US in the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. The poll questioned 1,000 people and found that 23% believed that the attacks were justified. Another poll conducted by the London Times and cited in the article showed only 13% thought the attacks were justified.

You are quoting a nearly decade old article, with conflicting polls, about a different country, written at a different time. Exactly what did you think you were going to prove?
50% of American Muslims prefer Sharia Law over the US Constitution.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...-Poll-Data.pdf
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Both a hilarious and disgusting statement.

Pot meet kettle.

Look in the mirror and check your prejudices.
Pointing out the truth is not prejudice. If you simply don't like hearing the truth, then that's a different story. Please name another people who hate as many different groups as white Americans do.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:08 PM
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You people calling this guy an idiot are the idiots. This guy just got free publicity with this stunt. He knows his target customers and will receive increased business because of this statement. He can say he won't sell to muslims all he wants, perfectly legal until muslims show up to buy, pass a background check, and he refuses to sell to them based upon their religion and then it becomes a possible illegal act. Until this happens, he can say whatever he wants and he'll get increased business from his target customers.


I think it was a business decision I watched him being interviewed on TV he's not stupid.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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Pointing out the truth is not prejudice. If you simply don't like hearing the truth, then that's a different story. Please name another people who hate as many different groups as white Americans do.
Islam hates all Infidels. There are ~6 billion infidels in this world.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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Terrorism itself is one thing - Muslims do very well in those numbers compared to other Minority religions. The real worry is the support for terrorism among Muslims in the name of Islam.

25% of British Muslims say the 7/7 London bombings were justified.
Almost a quarter of Muslims believe 7/7 was justified | Daily Mail Online
It's insanity to allow these fanatics to infiltrate our country. I realize some will give up the superstition but how can you trust them...I don't. I've lived many years in several Muslim countries...the irony is they leave their screwed up countries do to the imposition of the superstition screws everything up, then they want to impose the superstition on us.
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