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Old 07-27-2015, 08:46 PM
 
Location: N.H previosly Md.
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Would this be a good time to point that..........

If your DL is suspended, SO is you car insurance policy. No insurance company is going to cover a unlicensed driver, which is exactly what a "suspended driver " is. Think about that before you argue on behalf of the suspended driver, who still drives around. YOU could be their next victim.

Perhaps there is a business waiting to be started up here...........Drive service for those who have been suspended for being drunk behind the wheel.

Oh wait........why would somebody who doesn't do the right thing, and gets caught doing it......... such as drink and drive, spend money to obey their court ordered sentence ? What was I thinking ?

How about the car that they used to break the law.............being seized? Would that help them not drive while suspended ? Maybe. If the car still has monthly payments to the bank or a loan company, well that's the breaks, buddy. Keep on paying, as you agreed to do on the contract, right ?

If you think that I am tough on this subject, you are right.

Jim B.
Car insurance is not an issue everywhere. My state does not require anyone to have it. I'd hate to think what would happen if you got hit by a drunk driver without insurance.
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Couldn't agree more. There's no excuse for it. It's beyond pathetic and selfish. If you want to risk your own life, go ahead, but when you get behind the wheel when you're drunk, you're risking the lives of innocent people who don't have a choice in the matter. A big F you to drunk drivers. There are no adjectives that can even cover the level of disgust and irresponsibility of doing it.
You know when you're driving home at midnight, you're surrounded by hundreds of drunk drivers (by the .08 standard), just in your particular city. Then multiply it by all of the cities and towns in the United States (or wherever). Is it dangerous? Certainly for those who have levels much higher than .08. But is it any more dangerous/irresponsible than speeding, aggressive driving, distracted driving, drowsy driving, etc? No. Those .08 drivers are going to overwhelmingly be more mindful of the road than when they are driving normally.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Our local police department ran a test several years ago. They asked for volunteers who went to a parking lot where they had some drinks until they blew the highest legal limit. Then they had to get in their car and drive through a short course constructed. Many were not as skilled as they thought they'd be, even going slowly. Driving over lines, knocked down cones, etc. Yet they all said they didn't feel the alcohol had affected them enough to impact their driving before they got in their car to drive the course.

It was interesting to see, but realize those who drink and drive won't be deterred until something tragic happens to someone else.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Our local police department ran a test several years ago. They asked for volunteers who went to a parking lot where they had some drinks until they blew the highest legal limit. Then they had to get in their car and drive through a short course constructed. Many were not as skilled as they thought they'd be, even going slowly. Driving over lines, knocked down cones, etc. Yet they all said they didn't feel the alcohol had affected them enough to impact their driving before they got in their car to drive the course.

It was interesting to see, but realize those who drink and drive won't be deterred until something tragic happens to someone else.
To be perfectly honest, those volunteers would need to clear the obstacle course when sober first
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
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FYI- When you compare the percentages of fatalities of drunk driving to drunk walking, Drunk driving is less lethal than drunk walking!!


Freakonomics » The Perils of Drunk Walking: A New Marketplace Podcast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_walking

"In 2011, The Pedestrian Council of Australia launched a campaign called "Never Let a Mate Walk Home Drunk", in an effort to curb the high number of pedestrians killed on Australian roads. A huge 20% of pedestrians killed on Australians roads have a BAC exceeding 0.15%,[5] and 30% of those killed or seriously injured have a BAC over 0.05%. [6]"

One of the many reasons that i cannot get onboard with punishing people to the extend that we do for drunk driving.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:29 PM
 
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To be perfectly honest, those volunteers would need to clear the obstacle course when sober first
The fact that you live in a state with high drunk driving rates, the same state I do, and you're so cavalier about drinking & driving, says a lot. Namely, you're part of the problem.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
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Our local police department ran a test several years ago. They asked for volunteers who went to a parking lot where they had some drinks until they blew the highest legal limit. Then they had to get in their car and drive through a short course constructed. Many were not as skilled as they thought they'd be, even going slowly. Driving over lines, knocked down cones, etc. Yet they all said they didn't feel the alcohol had affected them enough to impact their driving before they got in their car to drive the course.

It was interesting to see, but realize those who drink and drive won't be deterred until something tragic happens to someone else.
You would get the same results with tired/drowsy drivers.

AAA: Data shows driving tired can injure or kill you or others - Bucks County Courier Times: Bucks County | Local news | Breaking news | Sports | Entertainment | Opinion
  • More than 6,000 fatigue-related crashes each year result in at least one fatality.
  • One-third of all crashes involving a drowsy driver result in injuries.
  • Six percent of all crashes that require a tow truck involve a drowsy driver.
  • And even though about 95 percent of drivers admit to knowing the dangers of driving when they’re tired, one in four of those surveyed said they’ve gotten behind the wheel in the past month when they had a hard time keeping their eyes open. Drivers between the ages of 19 and 24 were the most likely to report driving dangerously drowsy, according to the motor club research.
  • “Drivers often underestimate the risk and overestimate their ability to combat drowsiness, leading to the thousands of fatal vehicle crashes each year,” said AAA spokesman Jim Lardear.

“Driving when you’re tired can be just as dangerous as getting behind the wheel after a few drinks,” Lardear added. “The National Sleep Foundation compares the slowed reaction time and impaired vision and judgment after a sleepless night to that of someone with a blood alcohol content level of 0.10 percent.”



And yet what are we doing about this besides reprimanding people with insomnia for being late to work??
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:43 PM
 
Location: NYC metro area
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You know when you're driving home at midnight, you're surrounded by hundreds of drunk drivers (by the .08 standard), just in your particular city. Then multiply it by all of the cities and towns in the United States (or wherever). Is it dangerous? Certainly for those who have levels much higher than .08. But is it any more dangerous/irresponsible than speeding, aggressive driving, distracted driving, drowsy driving, etc? No. Those .08 drivers are going to overwhelmingly be more mindful of the road than when they are driving normally.
Anyone who defends drunk driving in any way, shape, or form loses all respect in my book. Unfathomable and unacceptable.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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The fact that you live in a state with high drunk driving rates, the same state I do, and you're so cavalier about drinking & driving, says a lot. Namely, you're part of the problem.
What would it tell you, if I say i lived In East and West coasts longer than in WI?
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Anyone who defends drunk driving in any way, shape, or form loses all respect in my book. Unfathomable and unacceptable.
I bet over half the people you know in your life have done it.
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