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What is not being understood or accepted by most of the anti hunting people here, who are continuing to complain about Palmer's actions, is what happened to Palmer would have happened to any one else in the same position. This guy was a good, honest citizen. This regardless of how the anti hunting types try to pass him off as any different.
He booked an expensive African big game hunt in good faith, with a licensed, professional outfitter. Just like hundreds of others do from all over the world every year. He took his animal that he paid for, which had all of the proper tags and paperwork, in an area WHERE HIS GUIDE TOOK HIM. He then shot the animal upon receiving instructions from the guide to do so. Any one else in the same position would have done the exact same thing. When you book these expensive, professional hunts with an outfitter over 5,000 miles away, you trust him on providing you with all of the necessary licenses, tags, and paperwork, along with his judgment and expertise on what animal to take. Along with when and WHERE to take it. HE is the professional.... Not YOU.
None of this decision making process is, or should be, left up to you the hunter. It's all part of the professional hunt you book and pay for. This all went wrong because of the outfitters actions, (or lack there of), not Palmer's. Proof of that is now that after it has all been properly investigated, he is NOT being charged, but rather his guide is. Which is as it should be. If you cannot trust your professionally licensed guide, or are going to be held responsible and accountable for HIS actions, who in their right mind would ever hunt in that country? By prosecuting Palmer for anything, Zimbabwe would in essence be cutting their own throat. They would have destroyed big game hunting in their country, and they know it.
What is not being understood or accepted by most of the anti hunting people here, who are continuing to complain about Palmer's actions, is what happened to Palmer would have happened to any one else in the same position. This guy was a good, honest citizen. This regardless of how the anti hunting types try to pass him off as any different.
He booked an expensive African big game hunt in good faith, with a licensed, professional outfitter. Just like hundreds of others do from all over the world every year. He took his animal that he paid for, which had all of the proper tags and paperwork, in an area WHERE HIS GUIDE TOOK HIM. He then shot the animal upon receiving instructions from the guide to do so. Any one else in the same position would have done the exact same thing. When you book these expensive, professional hunts with an outfitter over 5,000 miles away, you trust him on providing you with all of the necessary licenses, tags, and paperwork, along with his judgment and expertise on what animal to take. Along with when and WHERE to take it. HE is the professional.... Not YOU.
None of this decision making process is, or should be, left up to you the hunter. It's all part of the professional hunt you book and pay for. This all went wrong because of the outfitters actions, (or lack there of), not Palmer's. Proof of that is now that after it has all been properly investigated, he is NOT being charged, but rather his guide is. Which is as it should be. If you cannot trust your professionally licensed guide, or are going to be held responsible and accountable for HIS actions, who in their right mind would ever hunt in that country? By prosecuting Palmer for anything, Zimbabwe would in essence be cutting their own throat. They would have destroyed big game hunting in their country, and they know it.
There are indeed legions of persons and even entire industries following the letters of the laws allowing "professional" abuses and exploitation of Nature …
Again … The question (mostly) at issue is not "hunting," but TROPHY hunting …
Those are not the same thing …
I am not "anti-hunting," but I do oppose TROPHY hunting ...
There are things I don't care for. I simply don't do them, or engage with people who do. Be they legal or otherwise. The difference is I believe in live and let live. That is not in the liberal vocabulary. There is nothing "wrong" or "unethical" with, or about hunting. It is a sport / activity that is as old as man itself, that is enjoyed by millions of people around the world. It is not "immoral", regardless of how much you want to try and make it so. Nor is it "dicey", (whatever that means)? If you simply don't like it, then say that and move on. But that's impossible for liberals like yourself to do. You feel you need to put a stop to anything you don't like, while at the same time ramming everything you do, down everyone else's throat.
It's no different with guns. If you, (liberals), don't like guns, or want to own guns, or wish to carry a gun, that's fine. No one is forcing you to. But people like yourself can't stop at that. Instead you want to strip everyone else's rights away, and force them to give up their freedoms, in order to live under your ideological umbrella. That is not how life in a free society works. Or hunting in Zimbabwe, or anywhere else for that matter.
this kind of "hunting" is no more a sport than putt-putt golf is.....
this kind of "hunting" is no more a sport than putt-putt golf is.....
That is your opinion. And it means absolutely nothing as far as what Palmer did or didn't do, concerning him being charged from a legal standpoint. Which he was not.
Again … The question (mostly) at issue is not "hunting," but TROPHY hunting … Those are not the same thing …
It doesn't matter. We are discussing the legality of a man being charged with a crime or not. He was not because he committed no crime. What you keep having a problem with, is separating your personal feelings and thoughts from legalities. What Palmer did was LEGAL. And because of that he was not charged. Nor should he have been. Period. End of story. Now you can resume crying. That is your prerogative. But doing that changes nothing.
There are indeed legions of persons and even entire industries following the letters of the laws allowing "professional" abuses and exploitation of Nature …
Again … The question (mostly) at issue is not "hunting," but TROPHY hunting …
Those are not the same thing …
I am not "anti-hunting," but I do oppose TROPHY hunting ...
On what basis? That it harms animals? The facts of the matter are in direct contrast to that claim. Trophy hunting increases the value of the animals ALIVE to the local populace giving a natural disincentive to poaching. This means more people open up their lands to the animals and their territory spreads. This position is backed up by the actual facts on the ground.
On what basis? That it harms animals? The facts of the matter are in direct contrast to that claim. Trophy hunting increases the value of the animals ALIVE to the local populace giving a natural disincentive to poaching. This means more people open up their lands to the animals and their territory spreads. This position is backed up by the actual facts on the ground.
100% true. But then again, that is a claim fueled by facts, not emotion. The biggest problem with this whole thread, is it's long on emotion and personal opinion, and way too short on facts.
It doesn't matter. We are discussing the legality of a man being charged with a crime or not. He was not because he committed no crime. What you keep having a problem with, is separating your personal feelings and thoughts from legalities. What Palmer did was LEGAL. And because of that he was not charged. Nor should he have been. Period. End of story. Now you can resume crying. That is your prerogative. But doing that changes nothing.
"It doesn't matter" as a legal question … but it does matter -- deeply -- as an ethical question …
If you care NOTHING about "ethics," but only about "the law" … well, that is something about you ...
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