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Old 10-14-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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No …

I think there is a significant real life real world distinction between what is "legal" and what is "moral"/"ethical" …

An easy case in point: e.g., when slavery was perfectly "legal" in the United States not all that long ago, it was still obviously patently "immoral" and "unethical" …

Just so, while many human abuses of Nature are "legal," they certainly are not "moral" or "ethical" ...
Wrong. Hindsight of what is ethical or immoral can't be applied to the past because no one has yet figured out time travel.

Something called reality.
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Old 10-14-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Wrong. Hindsight of what is ethical or immoral can't be applied to the past because no one has yet figured out time travel.

Something called reality.
At the time "slavery" was perfectly "legal" (see: The U. S. Constitution), there were plenty of people who thought they KNEW that it was none the less 100% IMMORAL ...
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Old 10-14-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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No … THIS thread isn't about "hunting," per se, in general …

It is about (1) certain particular aspects of TROPHY hunting …

It has also become a discussion of (2) "legality" in relationship to "morality" and "ethics" ...
Only according to you. That counts for nothing.
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Old 10-14-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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No … THIS thread isn't about "hunting," per se, in general …

It is about (1) certain particular aspects of TROPHY hunting …

It has also become a discussion of (2) "legality" in relationship to "morality" and "ethics" ...
It's about someone who legally hunted....trophy or not...

You are the only one who is bringing up morality and ethics vs legality, which is why your goal post continues to change....
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's about someone who legally hunted....trophy or not...

You are the only one who is bringing up morality and ethics vs legality, which is why your goal post continues to change....
In corrupt African nations ? You must be kidding.

And just think..the twitter crowd wanted him to be sent back to Africa before any warrant or charge was brought forward.
They already found him guilty.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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And just think..the twitter crowd wanted him to be sent back to Africa before any warrant or charge was brought forward.
They already found him guilty.
You have just accurately described this entire matter in two sentences. All this whole thing was about involved firing up an already liberal, anti hunting crowd, who wanted this guy's head on a stick long before he ever whacked this, or any other animal. Simply because he enjoys doing something that has been perfectly legal for centuries, that they don't like, and want stopped at all costs.

Because this incident occurred during a slow news cycle, it received more press. Bored reporters were all over it like stink on dog crap. And as a result, just wound them up more. And in the process, has produced more of their rhetoric as a result. You can say the same thing about gun control. Every time one of these nut cases starts shooting up a college or movie theater, they simply use it as a vehicle to bring more attention to their cause........ A cause the bulk of the people in this country don't want, and are sick and tired of hearing about. It's "permission" for them to make more noise. Annoying noise that people have already heard too much of, and are tired of listening to.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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At the time "slavery" was perfectly "legal" (see: The U. S. Constitution), there were plenty of people who thought they KNEW that it was none the less 100% IMMORAL ...
Good grief......don't you know animal numbers needs controlled..........for them and for us.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Good grief......don't you know animal numbers needs controlled..........for them and for us.
Good grief … don't you know … that this has been well understood in the life science community for a couple of centuries now (biology degree here) …

See: Tom Malthus …

But, and, again …
The question is not "hunting," per se, but rather abusive hunting practices such as TROPHY hunting ...
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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Good grief … don't you know … that this has been well understood in the life science community for a couple of centuries now (biology degree here) …

See: Tom Malthus …

But, and, again …
The question is not "hunting," per se, but rather abusive hunting practices such as TROPHY hunting ...
You compared hunting to slavery.

Really???
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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You compared hunting to slavery.

Really???
No …

I invoked the example of "slavery" as a practice which was widely understood (correctly) to be immoral even though and even while it was "legal" …
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