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Old 08-21-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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But you aren't the "decider" of what's un-Constitutional. That's the job of the Supreme Court.
So why is it that clubs are free to freely associate but not businesses?
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:17 PM
 
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Caverunner17, you don't understand how many City-Data posters work. They throw up ridiculous interpretations of the Constitution based on their own prejudices that have never been so assessed by the Supreme Court, and then argue that the Supreme Court is not able to interpret the Constitution, but that they are with their limited education. In fact, most of their "education" about the Constitution and citizenship is based on various radio broadcasters or far right-wing websites.
Because human sacrifice is analogous to freely associating with one another.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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So why is it that clubs are free to freely associate but not businesses?
Businesses are a public accommodation. I'm surprised a constitutional scholar such as yourself wouldn't know that.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:21 PM
 
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Businesses are a public accommodation. I'm surprised a constitutional scholar such as yourself wouldn't know that.
And? Because someone sells to the public they waive fundamental rights?

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Old 08-21-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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And? Because someone sells to the public they waive fundamental rights?
If you consider it a "fundamental right" not to associate with black people, then, yes. Yes they do. Life's a lady dog, huh?

There's actually a huge body of law on this subject. You might want to look into it.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Operating a business? Fundamental right. Freely associating? A fundamental right.

All you have is public accommodation laws to cling to. A pretty clear violation of the other two

Obviously the only solution is for all businesses to be run by the government.
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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Are you on drugs? Freedom of association only applies to groups clubs or organizations?

Do you also believe they do not have the right to reject you?
Am I on drugs? Am I talking to Red Forman?

The right to freedom of association -

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Freedom of assembly and freedom of association are often used interchangeably, and often they are also linked to freedom of expression. Both are rights that enable individuals to come together with others to express, promote and defend common interests (McBride 2005: 18-9). However, freedom of assembly encompasses rather the right to demonstrate and gather in public spaces, whereas freedom of association allows groups to define and institutionalise themselves as such. Both, could be viewed as elements of freedom of speech or extensions of it, because they build on it.As civil liberty and political right freedom of association is a 'first generation' right (Novitz 2008;Foster 2003: 8). Mostly, it is understood as the right to form or join trade unions (or the right not to do so) because it is one of the central underpinnings the work of the ILO (Human Rights Education Associates). But this right is much broader and 'open-ended' in nature because it allows also association for ideological, religious, political, economic, social, cultural, sports or other purposes(Commonwealth Secretariat 2003: 12). Thus, the right to form political parties falls under this freedom. Some instruments are concerned with freedom of association for particular groups or in a specific context: children; environmental campaigners; human rights defenders; judges; minorities;migrant workers etc. (McBridge 2005: 18-9)
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:25 PM
 
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You know, like in the American South, prior to the Civil Rights movement, when market forces made sure that all the discriminatory hotels and lunch counters went out of business.
Ohhh right! I forgot about that! It was at the Greensboro, NC Woolworth's lunch counter in 1960, right?
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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What a great idea! I wonder why the blacks in the South didn't just take their business to hotels and lunch counters that were willing to accept their business! Boy, they could have saved themselves a whole lot of trouble if they had just thought of that!
Where are Sam Beckett and Dr. Who when you need them?
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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Operating a business? Fundamental right. Freely associating? A fundamental right.

All you have is public accommodation laws to cling to. A pretty clear violation of the other two
Yep, all I have is established US law and two hundred years of legal precedent. Like I said earlier, if you want to change the law, you've got your work cut out for you. Arguing with me on the internet isn't going to change it.
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