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Your insistence on obsessing about WHY he was in jail is kind of messed up.
Even if he was there for rape or murder, if someone needs their meds, they need their meds.
I contend it's highly unlikely his lack of meds killed him.
However, it is the duty of the jail to have these people checked out if they are sick. That is the failure, IMO.
Agree with that. When someone is in police custody, the authorities have an obligation to insure the well-being of that person. They take on that responsibility when they arrest him. The circumstances that led to that arrest are irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the prisoner was on the right meds, being cooperative or not, deserved to be there or not, etc. The authorities failed to monitor him and see to his medical needs. It's really as simple as that.
This has nothing to do with traffic tickets or whatever else he may have done.
He was not given the care and treatment required by law and a number of guards will be disciplined\fired, the family will receive a settlement and that's it.
It's pretty open and shut.
I do agree that the media and some others have played up the "unpaid traffic ticket" angle a bit and that's not helping the discussion either.
It strikes me as cruel and unusual punishment to not issue him any clothes, and to keep bright lights on 24/7.
Why he was in jail or whether the 30 day sentence was appropriate isn't relevant to his death.
He died on day 17, it seems odd to me that he didn't start to experience serious withdraw symptoms on day 2 or 3 if he was not getting his meds from the start. There is something being left out of the timeline. I am going to guess that he only brought enough meds for 15 days, but obviously I don't know. I just know the existing timeline does not make sense.
Seems clear to me based on the comments of the addiction specialist doctor that viewed the video that he died due to withdraw symptoms.
If this were a black man that died, this would be national news. And there would protest marches.
I've come to the realization that on C-D, it doesn't matter what happens, there will always be a contingent of posters who will say, "Yeah, but" and justify/defend anything.
Well, until it happens to them or a loved one.
This post makes no sense. I had written: "This is SO wrong, so sad, and so unforgivable, but the fact remains that if he had been a responsible adult, this would not have happened. I feel much sorrier for nursing home patients who die from neglect or for children who die in wars or because of a drive-by shooting than I do for people like Mr. Stocjevski. (But, to be clear, I am not excusing the guards or anyone who should have been responsible for seeing to his welfare. They failed to do their job, and they should be punished for it.)
So, yes, I do think that adults should behave responsibly, but what exactly was I defending or justifying?
What part of "they [the guards] should be punished for it" didn't you understand?
Should anyone be held responsible for this man's death?
Himself! He made the choice to do drugs. No one forced him. Even if someone held a gun to his the first time he did them, he chose to keep using and abusing.
This sort of thing is why I have contempt for the police in traffic situations. All they do is harass you over stupid technicalities that have about as much to do with safety as Kardashians have to do with taste.
Now, some have mentioned his ticket was careless driving, but the same thing can happen over going 0.05 mph at a stop sign (really, we're going to nitpick that they didn't stop all the way, it's not like they zoomed through and almost ran someone over) or for not wearing a seat belt (a totally communist law if there ever was one, and I don't care that the law has now been around for 30 years, it's still wrong). It's all you can do to drive and not be harassed by those "prick-heads" on motorcycles while just trying to live your life getting around (really, the helmets on their heads imply that the word which rhymes with "prickheads" is in fact what they are being in those situations, how many times I've wished a big 18-wheeler would loose control of its brakes and turn them into roadkill). To me, unless you're DWI'ing or blowing through a stop sign or light at real speeds (not 0.05 mph) or driving slowly in the fast lane, they ought to leave motorists the heck alone and stop personally harassing them and separating them from their money under the guise of "safety."
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